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America's Got Talent - Summer 2017 (spoilers, natch)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Turtleboy, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. Jun 14, 2017 #61 of 431
    Redoctobyr

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    Yeah, this week's show didn't floor me, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I can do better!

    C'mon, Mike, you can say that, but we all know that Simon getting to hold the kitten last week was still better than the dog act ;) Not that I'm biased, of course, my wife and I are simply staff to the 2 cats that let us live their house.

    Either an earbud/similar, or simply being given a heads-up before the act. You have to assume that many of these have been screened in some form, before going on TV in front of the judges. Otherwise you could argue that they'd have to try and make a big background story production for every single act, as opposed to giving you the big story about the acts that may be really impressive 2 minutes later.
     
  2. Jun 14, 2017 #62 of 431
    Donbadabon

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    At least some of them definitely have ear buds. Howard Stern talked a lot about how the producers would tell him to either stretch out his comments, or speed things up.
     
  3. Jun 15, 2017 #63 of 431
    Mikeguy

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    As far as I could tell, last week's AGT was pre-empted in my market, for a sports event (Kentucky Derby? Basketball? Superbowl? ;) ). And so, I missed the kittens--I will try a search engine search for it. But you have to admit: the dogs were amazing--definitely could see this in a circus act, and in LV--like so many of the acts!
     
  4. Jun 15, 2017 #64 of 431
    Cainebj

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    I forgot to mention that and glad you brought it up. I noticed the wire also. I actually stopped and re-played in slow motion because I didn't quite see when she attached to it. I mean - it makes perfect logical sense - but I don't recall ever seeing someone doing this kind of act with a safety wire on AGT before.
     
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  5. Jun 16, 2017 #65 of 431
    Redoctobyr

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    This was the mind-reading act with the kitten:


    And, yes, the dogs *were* very good. But I'm still unapologetically biased :) I don't remember if it was that episode, or the previous week, but there was also a dog that can apparently count:



    If the dog *can* count, then yup, that's pretty darn impressive. While if the dog is watching for some signal from her (or similar), for how long to keep barking, then it's simply a good trick.
     
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  6. Jun 16, 2017 #66 of 431
    warrenn

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    The dog is watching for a signal. The owner will look away or change facial expressions when the dog has reached the correct number. The owner may not even realize how the trick works. She may think her dog really knows how to count, but the dog really knows to bark until the owner looks away.

    Animals that "count" has been a trick for a long time. It's really that the animal does some action until the owner does something that indicates it time to stop doing that action.
     
  7. Jun 16, 2017 #67 of 431
    Mikeguy

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    Thanks for the post--worth it just to watch Simon stroking the kitty. :)
     
  8. Jun 17, 2017 #68 of 431
    Mr.Broncosfan

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    I used to really like this show, but the constant panning of the audience with their fake or exaggerated reactions, is really killing it for me.
     
  9. Jun 17, 2017 #69 of 431
    lew

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    I was at a few of the auditions and live shows when the show was in NYC. Before we see a single performance we "practice" , and are taped, reaction shots. That includes standing ovations, wave standing ovations, surprise reaction....We keep doing it until they taped enough shots. I was at one of the cut shows. The ladder guy was in the earlier taping. We were told to look up, imagine we're seeing a man on a ladder.
     
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  10. Jun 17, 2017 #70 of 431
    Redoctobyr

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    Ugh :( This is why you don't want to know how the hotdogs are made.
     
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  11. Jun 19, 2017 #71 of 431
    Jon B

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    Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but I think you are missing the chronology. The auditions rounds are recorded months in advance. Earlier in the day, before the audition, they record interviews and other background material for *every* act. If the act doesn't make it through then (in most cases) they simply don't use any of the material they've recorded for that act. If the act *does* make it through, then they take the time to edit together what they've recorded, to create a story that will engage the audience.
     
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  12. Jun 19, 2017 #72 of 431
    Jon B

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    You don't know the half of it. You know those bits where one contestant is talking to another contestant, either asking them questions, or maybe commenting on a third contestant? It's all scripted. Not word for word -- there's lots of room to paraphrase and insert your own personality -- but a producer will tell the contestants what they should ask each other and how they should answer. I remember times where a crew member was literally laying on the floor below the contestants feeding them lines.
     
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  13. Jun 19, 2017 #73 of 431
    That Don Guy

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    First the American Idol "elevator ride", then the facade for Pawnee, Indiana's City Hall, and now this (and I think at least one So You Think You Can Dance "green mile") - is there anything the Pasadena Civic Center/City Hall can't do?

    That seems strange, as you would think that this punishes the earlier acts as a judge isn't like to use their Golden Buzzer if they think that a later act is going to deserve it more; also, they come across as knowing in advance somehow who is going to use it. That is, unless the producers "suggest" to the judges whom to give them to.

    Note that, according to an NBC press release, there is a fifth Golden Buzzer, presumably by Tyra. Last year, there were six audition shows (actually, seven, but one was on a Wednesday), so if we assume the same breakdown as last year:
    May 30, June 6, 13, 20, 27, July 11 - auditions (July 4 pre-empted for New York City Fireworks)
    July 18, 25, August 1, 8 - Judges' Cuts (with Celebrity Golden Buzzers?)
    August 15, 22, 29 - Quarter-Finals
    September 5, 12 - Semi-Finals
    September 19 - Final
    ADD: NBC has confirmed that 9/26 will be the start of its 2017 Tuesday fall schedule
     
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  14. Jun 20, 2017 #74 of 431
    MikeekiM

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    I am not even sure what the network is trying to achieve with the Golden Buzzer...

    If the act is good, then wouldn't they want the act to compete and perform to get higher ratings and viewership? I don't get why they would want to propel a good act directly into the live shows...

    If the act is mediocre and they are concerned that the act won't make it to the live shows...I guess I get that... Maybe that's a good use of the Golden Buzzer... An act that is good, but maybe the act doesn't have enough content to survive the competitive process... But good enough and compelling enough that they want them to survive?

    I don't know... I just don't get it...

    Or maybe it's a great use for an act that a judge likes enough to send to the live shows, but the other judges aren't convinced... Oh wait...Mel B could have done that with the pumpkin-head dancer, but decided to go up and whine about it until the Simon acquiesced... Hmmm...so again...why do we even have the Golden Buzzer?
     
  15. Jun 20, 2017 #75 of 431
    Donbadabon

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    ^^ I agree. I would make more sense if the buzzer was used to save an act that you really liked, but was not going to make it through. Saving a 4-yeses act doesn't make sense at all.
     
  16. Jun 20, 2017 #76 of 431
    Cainebj

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    It's fake drama.
     
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  17. Jun 20, 2017 #77 of 431
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    By clearing some of the elimination rounds of golden buzzer-worthy acts, it allows us to see more of some less spectacular acts, potentially building support for an act that didn't get the golden buzzer.
     
  18. Jun 20, 2017 #78 of 431
    DeDondeEs

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    I like watching this show to see the performers, but speaking of drama, I really get taken out of the show when they do those quick cuts to people in the audience looking stunned/amazed/laughing. It just looks so fake. I think it is that the camera had to be there and in place in front of them to capture the entire 'stunned' reaction.

    These stunned reactions usually occur when either an old person does something you thought only a young person could do, or vice-versa. Or when some person you think can't sing due to appearance/age/career ends up singing opera.
     
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  19. Jun 20, 2017 #79 of 431
    Turtleboy

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    I think Howard Stern used it on an act that he liked that wasn't going to go through.
     
  20. Jun 20, 2017 #80 of 431
    That Don Guy

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    It's probably meant to replace what they did originally with Judges' Cuts - they would divide the acts up into three groups; one group was sent home immediately, another had to perform again, and the third, with the best acts, was told they advanced directly to the live shows without having to perform again. IIRC, one season, they changed this, and had each judge go to an act's home and tell them they were being put directly into the live shows (after all, why bother making them fly to Las Vegas, only to be told, "You're going through to the next round, so here's a ticket for the next plane home; sorry to fly you out here just to tell you that"); the Golden Buzzers pretty much replace this.

    This is how Golden Buzzers originally worked - an act with two or three No votes could be "saved" and advanced to the next round (not the live shows). The problem is, there will already be a number of acts with four Yes votes that don't make it through to the live shows; what makes anyone think that an act that two judges already don't like will get put through ahead of any of them?
     

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