American Guns - Discovery Channel

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  1. pmyers

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    I can't even begin to say how bad I think both of these show make regular gun owners look. I don't see how anyone who knows much about firearms can stand watching them because they are so full of inaccurate and unsafe information.
     
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    I happened on this yesterday. Since when does cleaning a gun become a giant deal? They had a whole segment in the daughter learning to do a "DCOA" (disassemble , clean, oil and assemble ) on a 45 auto. Seriously, if you carry, you should already know how to do that. I'm also not cool with the the owner hanging his daughters boobs out as part of tv show. We have a name for those kinds of girls.
     
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    That DCOA did look amazingly tough and seemed to be a ton of tiny little parts. I'm not a gun person but when I've seen other guns stripped down, there did seem to be a LOT less parts than that 1911.
     
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    She's only 16, maybe she's never really actually had a real interest in the guns, but now that the cameras are around she's more interested.
     
  7. Gary McCoy

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    Although I love the weapon, the 1911 is a century old auto pistol design just this year. It was absolutely the best large bore auto pistol design for much of that century. But it does indeed have more little parts than more modern designs, and a lower reliability than something such as a Glock because of it. However, a century of accumulated gunsmithing experience tweeking and tuning the 1911 means that it is still a good choice today for anything you need a gun to do. If you add a lot of aftermarket parts to a Glock for example, you can seriously compromise the reliability of the factory weapon - I have even seen aftermarket polymer frames shatter during usage. When the Glock is a century old, we will know a lot more about tweeking the newer design correctly.

    As for the daughter on American Guns, I have observed that both her and her mother dress in revealing clothes and wear lots of makeup. Which means she IS being parented. Nor is such revealing clothing unusual or indicative of low moral standards in Colorado or actually in any of several Western US states - it's in fact pretty common in such areas, especially in the Summer. But people from more conservative parts of the US such as New England and the American South should not make assumptions about morality based upon standards of dress in areas other than their own. Just because revealing dress has a certain connotation where you live does not mean that it does everywhere.
     
  8. Hansky

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    The only assumption that needs to be made is that the mother and daughter (which I believe is a step-daughter) are being provocatively dressed for the show.
     
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    Well there is field stripping and detail stripping. Field stripping is separating the frame from the slide and removing the barrel and spring, basically it's in 4 parts at that point. Then you clean it, oil it, reassemble and it's ready to go for next time.

    Detail stripping is breaking it completely down so everything; hammer, trigger, locking block, sear, trigger bar, etc..., are in pieces. You only do that once in a while, to inspect and re-lube all the inner parts.

    You're looking at ~40-50 total parts in a 1911 or hammer fired pistol to ~25-30 in a striker fired like a Glock or M&P.
     
  10. Gary McCoy

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    Nope. The mother/daughter share the general dress of the females you see in the store or town. Blue jeans and tight tops and cowboy hats ARE the female standard of dress for the area. I don't know about the step daughter part, I just know that Renee and Paige look a great deal alike - same figure, bust, and hair color.
     
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    Yes, you go with that theory that the attire (and camera angles, etc.) are not part of the planning for a reality show.
     
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    Disagree. They are on TV. They dressed for it. Specifically. It's a ratings ploy. I doubt either one could squeeze any more mammary out of their blouses and still be a family show.

    Watching that girl walk through the tall grass you can tell she' never been off the sidewalk.

    And WTH is with the purse poodle? Really? Paris Hilton wannabe or something.

    The negative stories about Rich Wyatt are legion in this part of the world. If you do business with him, count your change. Better use both hands. He's a creep.

    Don't even get me started on the 10 mile long helicopter rides. You couldn't drive there? It's farther to the airport than to your customers house. Manufactured drama and not very good drama at that.
     
  13. pmyers

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    Well I love it! lol

    I would think showing up at a VIP's house in a helo would make more of a statement than a truck regardless of how close it is.
     
  14. Hansky

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    It makes for good TV, but I would assume the helicopter, "VIP," guns, money, etc., are all props for the show.
     
  15. Gary McCoy

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    Well I don't know Rich Wyatt, but I have to point out something to you, and it's the same basic fact that gives used car salesmen bad reputations.

    Guns are a commodity with constantly changing market values. If you are going to make a living reselling guns, then your basic business consists of buying below market value and selling at or slightly above market value. The profit so generated is your business revenues.

    I can tell that is in fact how Wyatt does business. He even says so on the show. He is successfull enough to have a thriving business with many employees, plus a private helicopter. That means that there are LOTS and LOTS of people selling guns to Wyatt at below market value, and then bad mouthing him. But if he paid fair market value for every purchase, he'd go out of business real quick, because nobody would buy guns at the markup he'd have to charge.

    I don't think the normal business practices of a free market indicate anything in particular about either party in any deal. The people selling guns to Wyatt are free to find a better offer, and they either cannot or will not bother to do so.
     
  16. DouglasPHill

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    The show is great. I figure everything is staged. But seeing cool guns, learning a little history, and watching stuff blow up; I'm in.
     
  17. Hansky

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    Do you believe everything you see on "reality" shows?
     
  18. pmyers

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    +1 :up:
     
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    Nope. But I have seen the man on camera sitting in the pilot seat, I believe it's his helicopter. I think the deals he does on camera are scripted, but they document the actual terms of the actual deal which finished just minutes before filming, although the number of bids/counters may have been changed. I believe a bonus of some type is paid to each customer that allows filming by the show producers to sweeten the deal.

    I think Rich Wyatt gets a piece of the show revenue in addition to getting lots and lots of publicity from the show to stimulate his business. In that sense, he's a better businessman than his anonymous competition. If there was any doubt he was the best gunsmithing and gun dealing business around, then such doubt has been convincingly eliminated by the show.
     
  20. Hansky

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    There you have it!

    No, THERE you have it!

    I have no doubt you believe it.
     

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