american chopper?

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  1. jgerry

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    I had never really watched before about 4 months ago, so I have enjoyed all the re-runs. Good TV in my opinion.

    I do miss Vinnie though. As for his leaving over working conditions -- yeah, I could believe that. If you've ever worked for a small business with an egomaniacal owner who yells all the time (I have), it can be very draining.
     
  2. hyimted

    hyimted sugartastic t. love

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    i was thinking about this thread and was wondering if anyone can confirm something. i remember watching the ep where vinnie left. iirc, paul sr said something like, "everybody is replaceable ..." or something like that. i remember going, wow .... if he can say that about vinnie, then nobody is safe there.

    if that is true, then i have lost some respect for those guys ...
     
  3. jeepair

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    Yes he said that...
     
  4. Hew

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    Hey guys, I'm a big fan of the show before and after vinnie left. Having said that the shows post Vinnie's departure seem like they are missing something. I think what it could be is just that the average joe part that vinnie plays is gone. Think about it what other major charectors of the show are average workers. Jason Poole is insane, and I don't know if I'm the only one who has noticed but he must have added something like 50 pounds since he was first introduced to the show( probably from the stress of working with sr. and jr.
    the only other main charectors I can think of is rick who drives 4 hours to work and back on 10 hour work days, how is that normal.

    Another thing that may hint to the shows and the companies demies is the most recent fight between sr and jr. In that fight Sr. said that the only thing jr cared about was getting a paycheck, other then that he did nothing for the company. Jr. Responded by saying that what he did bought Sr a nice house before he ran out of shop for the day. Somewhere in that mix Sr reminded jr that even though jr is part owner in the company he could still fire him. The fights seem to be getting much more personal.

    I think that this show will probably be done this season more because of infighting then anything else, which I have to admit is sad and entertaining at the same time.

    In terms of vforce customs I hope that the businness fails not because I don't like vinnie but because I think the least he could have done is move out of the general area. You know like the move he was talking about.
     
  5. Lopey

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    Why can't they be in the same area? Do you really think that all the bikes that they make are for people that live there??
     
  6. hyimted

    hyimted sugartastic t. love

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    couldn't disagree more ... that's what competition is all about. plus ... at this stage ... i can't see vinnie being much of a threat to occ.

    i certainly don't hope his business fails ...
     
  7. slaponte

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    If anybody knows the season/episode this happens on, I would like to see it. Didn't know until I read here.

    I always felt Vinnie was not treated properly. He seemed to be an integral part of the design team, did most of the wiring and a lot of custom work, and Sr kept screaming at him about cleaning the shop. Give me a break. I know it makes for entertaining TV, but not for a good owner/employee relation.

    The times he has been able to express his taste his design taste isn't the same as Junior or Senior's. Like Rick, they all have a style. So I would imagine his new shop will have its own product style after what he likes in particular.

    Everybody is jumping at this "raiding" thing. It could just be as easy as a few employees leaving because they don't like the way they are treated ( and I don't blame them). I can imagine a conversation where Vinnie says he would like to start his own shop and Cody saying "man, take me with you".

    Anyway, is part of life. Employees don't last forever. And yes, everybody is replaceable. Some are harder to replace than others, but it is just time and $$$. The chemistry in the show might never be the same do.
     
  8. Hew

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    Yeah, I guess you guys are right. But I'm thinking in terms of the Tuttles here. I mean what if one of your employees bailed out on you and started up a shop just a couple of miles away from your shop. Not only that but that employee tries taking away your workers. Especially if you have had a good relationship with that employee over the past few years. By good relationship I mean that Jr and Sr usually asked him for his opinion and most of the time respected what he did fr the company. He was also included in many biking trips to australia and to boston with mikey.

    Then again, I'm sure American Chopper gets edited to show the owners point of view more then that of the workers. So not knowing what exactly happened I guess Vinnie & Code should have their side of the story...

    I guess I'm just hoping that Vinnie goes back to OCC.
     
  9. Hew

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    I think it was the last show from the Australian trip, The final few minutes. But I'm not 100% sure.


    Found it on YouTube, here is the link:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=08rfL08p6NI
     
  10. Gregor

    Gregor Wear Your Mask! TCF Club

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    I still have the SP but the show has lost a lot of it's attraction for me.

    How many times can you watch a bike being assembled, while some screwup managerially makes everyone work OT to meet a probably unreasonable schedule?

    I hope Vinny and Cody do well in their venture.
     
  11. Hexerott

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    I encourage all my employees to follow their dreams. If they want to leave and start their own business, I look it as a personal success.

    As far as others leaving, that is just fine as well. Those people work and get paid for their contributions to my business. If they wish to leave, well, we are even at the end of the day. They don't owe me a thing.

    People leaving is a natural occurance in business. I have recomended emplyoess for other jobs and knew their leaving would leave a huge void.

    One individual in particular applied for a different job. When I was asked about him, I said, he is my best employee. I would hate to see him leave but if he does, you will picking up the best of the best. The guy ended up leaving on good terms and I still talk to him to this day.

    I respect people as individuals and realize they have hopes and dreams in their lives. I wish Vinny the best. He grew as an individual and has put his dreams into motion.
     
  12. Malcontent

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    Last season, during a really nasty fight between Senior and Jr., Senior reminded Jr. that he owns 90% of the company. Jr. owns the other 10%. I remember this quite clearly because I always wonder how the money was split.
     
  13. Hew

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    "Last season, during a really nasty fight between Senior and Jr., Senior reminded Jr. that he owns 90% of the company. Jr. owns the other 10%. I remember this quite clearly because I always wonder how the money was split. " by Malcontent

    Wow, 90 to 10... Thats unfair. JR. does all the designing, Sr. just yells at Jr. and everyone else when they show up 5 minutes late. Sure Sr. deservese a big chunck of the company but Jr. should have more then 10%.

    Do you remember what episode that was?

    Who knows at this rate maybe Jr. will quit OCC and start working for vinnie the way things are going.

    "I encourage all my employees to follow their dreams. If they want to leave and start their own business, I look it as a personal success. " by Hexerott

    I'm guess you work in a high margin industry. See from my perspective its a little different. My father owns a small construction company where we have razor thin margins. This is probably why I didn't like seeing Vinnie stay in the general area because I've seen it happen with my fathers business. There was one case where one of my father employees used his truck, equipment and so on to do a private job during my fathers time. So if you look at it through my eyes, watching another employee start his own business isn't a great thing.
     
  14. Hansky

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    If he wants full or majority ownership he can also also leave, invest his own money, and start his own company. Otherwise, he "deserves" what he and the owner agree upon. Maybe he doesn't have the entitlement mentality and resort to the meaningless "Its not faaaaaiiiiirrrrrr" whine.



    "i'm guess" you don't have a clue about the basics of business. Your father has the same entitlement to customers and business that an employee generally has to ownership in the business just for doing a good job (i.e., what they were hired to do) --- none. Perhaps that employee thought he was valuable and your father did not do the "fair" thing and give him a significant ownership interest in the company?

    Which story are you going with -- valuable employees "deserve" ownership in the first business, but don't "deserve" to invest their time and money their own business?

    (an employee stealing time and resources to do side jobs is another issue altogether and he should be immediately given the opportunity to start his own business).
     
  15. DanB

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    Maybe the bikes JR designs only pull in 10% of the revenue? There's more going on there then just the custom bikes on the show.

    From what I've seen during the years, I dont think I'd ever buy a bike from OCC -- too many shortcuts are taken, at least on the show bikes. I've seen shows that make me wonder if they even know how a motorcycle engine works.

    Amazing how neither of the boys knew how to solder copper tubing on the last show. Instead of fixing it correctly what do they do -- JB Weld it.
     
  16. Hew

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    Wow you pointed out a typo, you must be smart.

    Are you seriously implying that you know more about what is happening with my family's company then I do? Maybe you need to get off your thrown a little bit, and ask me questions like, are these guys compensated well, or are they sub contractors or employees. How do you have a clue on how business works when you don't understand that each industry is different and requires different worker/boss relationships.

    "Perhaps" you need to understand how construction business works before you call me out on it.
     
  17. hyimted

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    that's totally different though. your father's employee essentially used your dad's materials and labor-time for his own benefit ... deceiving your father the whole time. i would say he stole from your dad.

    vinnie is obviously open about what he is doing, using his own resources, etc.
     
  18. Hansky

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    The clear points I made were not dependent on the specific condition of your family's company. You simply did not, and likely cannot, understand the points made. Yes, I will know much more about business than you, including the construction industry. It is a very low bar.
     
  19. Hexerott

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    I don't see how this really translates into negative feeling towards someone going and starting their own company.

    The person that was working for your father seems to lack morals and ethics. These are the people I would love to encourage to leave my company and start their own. They will get theirs in the end when they fall flat on their faces due to their own greed and lack of integrity.

    It would also seem some of the thing he did may be actionable.

    That type of person would no longer be employed at my company after pulling a stunt like that. How could you be mad about it? He showed his colors and gave your dad reason to terminate him. If anything I would thank the guy for showing his true colors and giving me reason to fire him. I could then staff my company with quality individuals.

    Did the guy go out and start his own business?
     
  20. Hew

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    :mad: Why do you think that you know all there is to know about business, and that I don't know anything? What is your profession? Are you a student, since you said you "will know more about business than you"? The way your responding to me I wouldn't be surprised if you were a 15 year old, with an "I can do anything better then you can", mentallity.

    The point I was making is that I saw Vinnie's departure from the show in the Boss's point of view because my father is also owner of a small company, and a similar thing happened. I was wrong in saying that I hope vinnies business fails, but that I really would have liked if he stayed with the company, or if he had his own show.

    Sorry for going off topic there guys. One more quetion would you watch a Vforce customs version of American Choppers? I remember reading somewhere that American Choppers was suppose to go to a different bike shop every week but because of the high ratings of the first few shows they stayed with OCC. I'ld like seeing a few versions of American Choppers with different bike shops.
     

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