Amazon Unbox on Tivo - Series3 HD content, maybe?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by demon, Feb 28, 2007.

  1. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    It only kicks in when other complain justifiably? OK, then it never kicks in!

    It's never justifiable to put limits on plans that describe themselves as "unlimited".
     
  2. MichaelK

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    so you would be cool if your cable company doubled the rates everyone pays so that the cable company can afford to buy twice as much fiber space from the top level ISP's and then double their internal netword and finally run a fiber straight to the one guy on your block to download HD porn 24/7/365 to 10 pc's in his house at his line's max rated speed?

    There's a legit argument (legit to have- I'm not sure exatly what my opinion is) that the people that force the network to be 10 times more robust pay more then the rest of the users.

    Regardless it's just unacceptable not to spell out what the limits are- or at least when you "warn" the person tell them what standard they are being held to?
     
  3. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    I have no problem with that. If they spell out the limits and people can choose from a variety of plans, then that's fine.

    What's unacceptable is to advertise something as being "unlimited"---and sign people up with that description and then in reality enforce unknown limits.
     
  4. MichaelK

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    all this talk made me go read my TOS from my cable provider to go with my 10/1 line. Seems all they limit me to is "5 users" and I cant host any applications or run any servers.

    So I guess i can download to my hearts content.

    I wonder what consitutes a "user". Do my 3 broadband connected Tivo's count as users? What about my always on PC that runs my home automation stuff- if it downloads a MS patch in the middle of the night is it a "user"? What if I have a pc with myself logged and downloading a big file and then i switch users and my wife log's in at the same time and surfs the web- is that 2 users?
     
  5. MichaelK

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    completely and wholly agree.

    (fixed the questin mark into a period...)
     
  6. moyekj

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    # users definition makes no sense to me either especially if you are sitting behind a router (which would be the norm for most users) - then the interface on the WAN side would appear to be 1 MAC address - how could they possibly know how many "users" are on the LAN side of your router? Perhaps if you are using the switch on the cable modem (or connecting to modem using a switch instead of a router) there is a limit of 5 dynamically assigned IPs? Who knows. If this really is intended to be #users limit I bet there are many people violating the TOS, possibly even without their knowledge - for example those with wireless routers with no or insufficient security enabled.
     
  7. ashu

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    Amnesia, I DO see your point, and I DO agree they should change their TOS/wording, but, just like in Netflix' case, the warnings are justifiable as is the (unwritten) policy. I also agree that such a policy should be well spelled out.

    Maybe, just as in the Netflix throttling case, they need to be forced to include more precise TOS entries. Smart lawyers should be able to word it such that folks will no longer take issue with it, and either stay on as customers or upgrade to different bandwidth plans or providers.
     
  8. pl1

    pl1 Well-Known Member

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    Just about every company offering anything unlimited is stretching the truth. But some companies are creative. If you read the TOS of Vonage, you'll find that using your phone over a certain number of minutes will push you into a business class of service, of course, charging you more. No one knows for sure how many minutes it takes, though.

    PHP:
    We reserve the right to immediately disconnect or 
    modify your Service if we determinein our sole and 
    absolute discretionthat your use of the Service or 
    the Device is, or at any time wasinconsistent with 
    normal residential usage patterns
    In additionyou 
    will be required to pay our higher rates 
    for commercial 
    service 
    for all periods in which your use of the Service 
    or the Device was inconsistent with normal residential use.
     
  9. Sep 3, 2008 #169 of 169
    texaslabrat

    texaslabrat New Member

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    It *is* possible through analysis of the ip streams to determine the number of physical machines behind a nat'd device using a broadband connection.

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/05/2129218

    However, I don't know of any major ISP's who are actually doing it...especially that some recent IP stacks have implemented counter-measures to such analysis through the addition of pseudo-random header id numbers. Just a bit of trivia for ya ;) (ps love those necro threads LOL, but it seemed appropriate in light of Comcast's recent bandwidth cap announcements).
     

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