Amazon Unbox on Tivo - Series3 HD content, maybe?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by demon, Feb 28, 2007.

  1. Mar 3, 2007 #21 of 169
    jhimmel

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    Which is still faster then having a movie mailed to you using Netflix or other.
    It may even be as fast or faster than going to a local store to rent or purchase.
     
  2. Mar 3, 2007 #22 of 169
    wierdo

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    At the moment, Cox can provide me the full 12Mbit/s they claim, but I doubt that would be the case if everyone were downloading HD from Amazon or elsewhere.
     
  3. Mar 3, 2007 #23 of 169
    Derek Nickel

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    Ha! That reminds me of the joke about what is faster, sending a file via a 300 baud modem or on a floppy disk carried by a dog. It was on old joke...
     
  4. Mar 3, 2007 #24 of 169
    mikeyts

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    On US television, of course, 1080i is always 1080i60 or 30 frames/second. Those frames have 2.25 times so many pixels as 1280x720, so 1080i60 is only a 12.5% higher pixel rate than 720p60.

    Movies on Blu-ray and HD DVD are encoded as 1080p24 (according to the Blu-ray specifications, 1080p24 is the only progressive 1920x1080 format allowed).

    ABC HD, Fox HD and ESPN HD are all 720p. HD movies on Xbox Live Video Marketplace are encoded as 720p VC-1; some of them have outstanding PQ at a mere 6.33 Mbps average bitrate. I'd be very happy if Amazon Unbox were to offer 720p HD movies at that quality level, and it'd only take 5.3 GB for two hours, which could be downloaded in about 3 hours at an average of 4 Mbps; not too bad. One advantage of the "Amazon Unbox on TiVo" model of ordering the film at Amazon.com is that you can easily do it at work.

    The only problem that I have with the XBLVM movies is the lack of subtitles, and the 50% price hike for HD.
     
  5. Mar 3, 2007 #25 of 169
    btwyx

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    In my case it was travelling from one side of London to the other and back via tube (subway train) to collect a half inch tape real. When I got back I worked out that the transfer worked out at about 9600 b/s. That was fast back then.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2007 #26 of 169
    eric_mcgovern

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    The HD movies on the XBOX Live Marketplace work very well. Sure it isn't instant, but they download quick enough, and are still quicker waiting for a disc to show up in the mail.

    I think TiVo did it right though, where you can select the show / movie from a computer at any time, and then it will automatically begin downloading. So I see this working as, you select the movie at work and by the time you get home it is ready to watch on the TiVo.

    That being said, even the SD stuff on the Marketplace looks darn good on my HD.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2007 #27 of 169
    snathanb

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    I never watch any of that extra fluff.
     
  8. Mar 4, 2007 #28 of 169
    rdrrepair

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    Let's see - go to store - rent movie - watch movie - return movie hopefully on time - you still don't own it.

    Go to Unbox - buy movie - watch movie after it downloads (2-3hrs) - re-watch movie anytime you want and no late fees... You now own the movie and can leave it on Amazon and download again if you need the room - virtual storage!

    I think the Unbox is a great thing!!! Can't wait for it to be released!!! If you don't have PPV then this IS the ticket!!!
     
  9. Mar 4, 2007 #29 of 169
    btwyx

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    I'd rent, rather than buy. I usually only watch movies once.
     
  10. Mar 4, 2007 #30 of 169
    mikeyts

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    Well, you can also rent the movie from Unbox, which gives you 30 days (?) to start watching it after downloading and 24 hours to finish watching once you start. (XBLVM rentals give you 14 days before start).

    Although Microsoft has fallen firmly into the HD DVD camp, they've publically stated a belief that it really doesn't matter, since they expect network download to become the predominate mode of entertainment media distribution in the future.
     
  11. Mar 4, 2007 #31 of 169
    doormat

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    Thats the only thing I dont like about unbox - only 24 hours to watch the movie, 48 hours (two nights) would be better. At least with a blockbuster rental you get two nights (at least the last time I rented a movie).
     
  12. Mar 4, 2007 #32 of 169
    mikeyts

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    I've always felt that things like this should be at least until midnight of the next day. Many people have things that they have to take care of before they could start to watch a film on a weekday; kids to feed and help with their homework, etc. If they fall asleep while watching, they are unlikely to be able to sit down and finish it before the same time the next evening, at which time the 24 hours will have expired. If you make the rental until midnight the following day, they have at least two full evenings to work with.
     
  13. Mar 4, 2007 #33 of 169
    moyekj

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    Since the Amazon Unbox movies are .wmv format but downloads will be allowed to both Tivo S2 and Tivo S3 boxes at some point I assume they are going to be transcoded to mpeg2 before they are stored on the Tivo, meaning they will lose quality. Ideally at least for S3 units they should stay in their native .wmv format since I believe S3 has capable decoders for that format. But probably because S2 units need to be supported the video will be transcoded to mpeg2 no matter what Tivo you download them to. Or am I missing something?

    IMO a much more exciting capability than this Unbox deal is opening up the S3 units to download any videos (in supported formats) from LAN or WAN. That would be an eye opener and greatly expand the functionality of the S3.
     
  14. Mar 4, 2007 #34 of 169
    mikeyts

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    There is no DRM for MPEG-2; I cannot believe that they'll transfer these files encoded in clear MPEG.
     
  15. Mar 4, 2007 #35 of 169
    moyekj

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    Then how can S2 boxes play them back without aid from Tivo Desktop or other software? AFAIK S2 boxes only have limited mpeg2 decoders so I'm curious how they could handle native playback of .wmv files?
     
  16. Mar 4, 2007 #36 of 169
    mikeyts

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    I don't know. I could be wrong about MPEG-2 DRM. I can't think of any technical reason why a DRM system couldn't be wrapped around MPEG-2, it's just that there's none in common use on consumer devices. One thing that I'm fairly certain of is that the rights holders aren't going to let their IP go out over the net without it being protected somehow, both on the wire and on TiVo's HDD.

    What decoder chipset is in use in TiVo-branded Series 2 boxes?
     
  17. Mar 4, 2007 #37 of 169
    rjom

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    I don't understand much of the technical stuff you are all talking about, but I wonder if the Unbox download to Tivo S3 will display automatically in a 16:9 format, like DVD's do on my upconvert player. If they (non HD) just play at the 4:3 it would seem to be a disadvantage to renting the DVD if you have a widescreen HDTV. Thoughts on this?
     
  18. Mar 4, 2007 #38 of 169
    ThomC

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    HD would be optimal, but I'm not expecting it right off the bat. But, if movie file downloads are not at least available as anamorphic widescreen, I for one will not be using the service. I feel that this is a maker or breaker for the service. Tivo really needs to put as much pressure as they can on Amazon, to make this happen. On the other hand, if widescreen is available, this will be realy big as I would probably dump most of my movie channels and watch movies this way.
     
  19. Mar 4, 2007 #39 of 169
    jhimmel

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    I just downloaded a Amazon Unbox movie. It was widescreen and, although not HD, the picture quality was better than I expected.
    I downloaded it to my PC which is hooked up to my 50" plasma display via HDMI.
    There did not seem to be a DD5.1 track included.

    If Unbox ever starts making HD content with DD5.1 available, the cable companies will REALLY start hating these S3 TiVo's, because I would probably cancel all of my Premium movie channel packages (I currently get them all).

    There is one serious problem that some of you have already mentioned. It is not uncommon for it to take my wife and I more than one day to get through a movie. The 24hr limit is not long enough.

    I suspect that competition will eventually force them to rethink that limit. I will be dropping them a note with my comments. Hopefully many others will do the same.

    Jim H.
     
  20. Mar 5, 2007 #40 of 169
    aaronwt

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    It's also 24 hours with the Xbox 360.
     

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