Amazing Race - 4/19/09

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  1. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

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    But wait a minute. The armchair psychologists have already judged her to be incompetent and Luke to be "one of those militant deaf people" based on a few minutes of edited clips. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Amnesia

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    Criminal justice?!? To do what? He seems awfully immature to be in that field.
     
  3. marksman

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    I think that both teams were wrong in the shoving, one at each cluebox. But I agree with your assessment of Luke. I have never liked him at all, and this just made it 100x worse.

    And I can do without his stupid rant about all hearing people putting down deaf people.

    Listen up Luke. I don't hate you because you are deaf. I hate you because you are a whiny, spoiled, petulant, immature cry-baby peepants.
     
  4. JLucPicard

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    LOL!!!

    I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for the laugh! :D


    (Right down to the 'Listen up, Luke'!)
     
  5. marksman

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    Yeah the one cool thing to come out of all of this is Victor is seemingly much more patient with Tammy now. He had like zero patience with her in the beginning, but for that fishing exercise he stayed positive and supportive.
     
  6. marksman

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    I knew they were brothers if for no other reason they have the same name as me and one of my brothers. So it is always funny when they show says their name together.
     
  7. jtlytle

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    All of my life, I have had people pointed fingers at me and laughing. They called me names too. I do understand how Luke feels and my mom would agreed with Margie.
     
  8. blogan

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    Why is it that only deaf people do this? You never get people who are farsighted saying, "Well, I'm not going to get glasses, because this is who I am."
     
  9. marksman

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    I got to admit after watching this episode and then reading this thread yesterday was really starting to buy into the idea that Like was startled at the first clue box.

    Then I thought about it this morning and decided to dismiss it. They both knew the other team was nearby and they both had to have some visual clue that they were in the vicinity of the other team, especially when they both took off like jackrabbits to get to a cluebox that there will both aimlessly milling right next to just minutes before.

    So I have decided he was not actually startled in that situation. He knew of the other team being there and in fact that is the reason he was racing to the cluebox so furiously.
     
  10. BSUGrad

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    My wife made an interesting point last night when we watched this episode. Margie could have prevented the really ugly stuff by just not telling Luke about the ***** comment. He didn't know until she told him. She seemed to want Luke to just forget about it, so she could have stopped the whole thing at the beginning.

    I should probably add that I think both teams were in the wrong, however. I think everybody completely overreacted to a tense, competitive moment.
     
  11. pendragn

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    He knew the other team was there, sure, I think he was startled by her running into him. I try to stay aware of who is behind me, but it would startle me if they actually ran into me. I wouldn't expect that.

    My opinion is that the first incident was mostly Kisha's (or was it Jen) fault. She probably could have done more to avoid colliding into him, and like others said, the 2 or 3 second advantage was minimal. I think past that both teams responded and acted poorly, making the situation worse. It's got to be an incredibly stressful time for them, I'm sure that contributed to their overreactions a lot.

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  12. NJChris

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    I dont think the first cluebox thing was on purpose. Maybe just a reflex to put up his elbow, I dont think it was to be mean.

    Same with the second box. They both ran too fast she bumped into the box and he bumped into her - pushing her further, but it looked like he was trying to stop but couldnt.

    If it was just that, we've seen that before countless times. But I think it was the sister's nastiness that got me. While Luke & Mom could have stopped whining, they didn't act nasty about it like the sisters.
     
  13. marksman

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    So if you were irrationally racing to something 10 feet away against another irrational person it would never cross your mind that there might be some physical contact?
     
  14. pendragn

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    I think at this point we're just arguing to see who's right, but I'll play along.

    When I watch a scary movie I KNOW it's scary. I KNOW they're going to startle me. I KNOW when that music starts that something is going to jump out really soon. Even knowing all that I STILL jump when it actually happens.

    He knew she was there, I think the amount of contact startled him. She basically ran right into him and I don't think he expected that.

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  15. Ruth

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    Many members of minority groups want to maintain their own culture and are uncomfortable being pushed to assimilate.
     
  16. Amnesia

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    Sorry, but having a deaf person able to communicate with non-deaf people is hardly "assimilation".
     
  17. blogan

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    Again, I don't see a lot of people with poor vision refusing glasses or people who can't walk refusing a wheelchair.
     
  18. trainman

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    Some deaf people don't see it in those terms; they see "would you get an operation that would make you able to hear?" as the equivalent of asking a black person "would you get an operation that would make you into a Caucasian?"
     
  19. Ruth

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    I understand that you don't think it is. But there are a lot of Deaf people who disagree. There is a strong Deaf culture and many believe that culture is threatened by CIs.

    No, but you see a lot of Latinos who want to continue to speak Spanish, and you see Orthodox Jews who dress and live as they did in ages past.

    You have a mindset of being Deaf as being nothing more than a disability that needs to be overcome and should be "fixed" if possible. I was born hearing, too, and I do understand that perspective. When I started losing my hearing, it was very scary and I wanted it back!

    But for many people who are born Deaf it is very different. They don't see themselves as disabled or defective or in need of repair -- just different. They are part of a rich culture, with a vibrant community, a shared history, and a shared language. It is a close-knit and a strongly supportive community.

    To many, the idea that you would give little kids CIs and force them to try to live among the hearing (even though CIs do NOT give anything close to normal hearing to most who are born Deaf) instead of encouraging them to be full participants in the Deaf culture and live to their potential as Deaf people is an insult. To them, that is saying to those children that Deaf people are not valued for what they are -- that they must be altered into hearing people if they wish to be respected and treated as full participants in society. And it's threatening to the community -- like if you said you were going to genetically engineer all gay people, or all African-Americans, out of existence, whether they liked it or not.

    I know this is very hard for hearing people to understand. And not all the Deaf feel that way. The community is divided about it. But it's really a lot more complicated and nuanced than wearing glasses or using a wheelchair.

    Anyone who's born Deaf want to chime in and help me explain this? I hope I am doing an OK job!
     
  20. Amnesia

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    OK, that's a comparison I can work with.

    If there was a Spanish-speaking person living in America, do you think that it makes sense for him to refuse to learn English because he doesn't want to "assimilate"?

    No one's asking him to forget Spanish or never speak again to his non-English-speaking friends, just to be able to communicate with the majority of people in this country. He doesn't have to give up anything.
     

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