Am I dreaming? Virgin adopts TiVo!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by kered, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. Nov 25, 2009 #61 of 142
    Major dude

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    TiVo HD XL retails at $500 in the US. Lifetime subs will set you back another $400.

    What do you reckon its going to cost when it finally arrives in the UK?
     
  2. Nov 25, 2009 #62 of 142
    Maclynn

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    How dissapointing, I have stuck with TiVo since it started. I have 3, and now i am not in the cabled area, not that I really want Virgin, so am still left out.
     
  3. Nov 25, 2009 #63 of 142
    dmchapman

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    Hurrah!

    Only a few weeks ago I tweeted http://twitter.com/dmchapman/status/5359877704 at VirginMedia.... no response

    Can't wait. Just hoping VM don't screw it up :-/


    Oh, hello all, it's been a long time ;-) Good to see some of the regulars still around :)
     
  4. Nov 25, 2009 #64 of 142
    MAD4IT

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    fantastic news
     
  5. Nov 25, 2009 #65 of 142
    cyril

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    Hopefully the UK government will get its fingers out of its posterior and help install optic fibre in all roads in all major cities like Japan and S.Korea have done for the last decade, or at the very least reduce the taxes on its installation and use.

    I think Japan and Korea now have over 50% fibre!
    http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0905/

    Someone is ALWAYS digging up the roads around me.
    It should be a legal requirement that they install optic fibre and all other gas/water/telephone/electricity pipes and cables at the same time instead of re-digging every year or so! :)
     
  6. Nov 25, 2009 #66 of 142
    Milhouse

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    That's a very disturbing thought, because if TiVo decide to support a new format EPG I doubt we will have the option to hack an alternative EPG for our old S1 boxes as TiVo will have returned to the UK.

    While this announcement is good news for people within the Virgin Media digital network catchment area, it's also potentially awful news for S1 owners who can't switch to Virgin.

    Also, if UK TiVo support switches over to VM from Sky, which it almost certainly will, I wonder if the newly trained VM/TiVo support reps will be able to support legacy S1 devices? I highly doubt it - I would imagine all that knowledge will remain at Sky.
     
  7. Nov 25, 2009 #67 of 142
    TCM2007

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    Great news - although I'm not in a Virgin area either so i don't have to explain to teh Mrs about a new STB!

    Milhouse - S1 boxes are still supported in the US, the format appears to be backwards compatible. I can't see Virgin making a PR faux pas by allowing existing tiVo owners to be cu off.
     
  8. Nov 25, 2009 #68 of 142
    browellm

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    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1152653

    Worth a punt.
     
  9. Nov 25, 2009 #69 of 142
    Pete77

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    For once I find myself fully in agreement with TCM2007.:eek:

    With Tivo marketing once again in the UK taking any action to upset existing longstanding Tivo customers, who are likely to be the product's greatest evangelists with potential new Virgin Tivo customers, would be a very poor strategic decision indeed.

    Support work for the Tivo S1 machines now largely consists of changing some card payment details and most customer staff seem to be pretty competent with that kind of activity. If anything too complicated comes up they can always refer to Tivo staff in Alviso for further assistance.

    Also the whole reason the Tivo S1 service has kept going this long this reliably (including even the notorious matter of the foul up leading to the cessation of Suggestions on S1 machines also being remedied for UK customers) is clearly in anticipation of this very moment with Tivo's re-entry to the UK marketplace. Consequently there is now no opportunity for journos to scribble that Tivo is a company that has been here before but then pushed off leaving all its customers in the lurch.
     
  10. Nov 25, 2009 #70 of 142
    steford

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    I'm not sure "went with" is the right phrase. Tivo is shutting no one out although of course they could produce their own Freeview/Freesat box if they felt it was viable (which they clearly don't). I blame Sky for the demise of UK Tivo and now, ironically, for its re-emergence.
     
  11. Nov 25, 2009 #71 of 142
    Pete77

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    Seconded.:up:
     
  12. Nov 25, 2009 #72 of 142
    Milhouse

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    I blame the TiVo management.
     
  13. Nov 25, 2009 #73 of 142
    Pete77

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    Tivo's management seem to operate quite successfully in the USA where no one single pay television platform has been allowed to develop an anti competitive stranglehold on the marketplace in the way that Sky has managed to do in the UK.
     
  14. Nov 26, 2009 #74 of 142
    Milhouse

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    I don't think you can compare the US and UK pay TV markets - the UK is far too small for competition to exist in the way it does in the US. It's no surprise that a single satellite supplier and a single cable supplier dominate/monopolise the pay TV markets. We may not like it, but the UK market is not big enough to support multiple competing suppliers. I would like to see Sky forced to accept third-party viewing hardware on their network, ie. TiVo STBs rather than have to accept the rubbish Sky see fit to make available.

    I just think it's too easy to blame Sky when TiVo most likely made the decision to leave the UK based on the fact that - at the time - few understood what a PVR was, the marketing was awful and they were losing money hand over foot in their US home market.

    As for "operating quite successfully" - have TiVo actually started to turn in a regular profit yet?
     
  15. Nov 26, 2009 #75 of 142
    browellm

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    Was just looking at the digital spy forums. Loads of "what is this TiVo of which you speak" type stuff, and great to see all the enthusiastic, even nostalgic responses from the dewy-eyed (me included) who've had the pleasure of using the system.

    Can't wait for this!
     
  16. Nov 26, 2009 #76 of 142
    Sneals2000

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    As it is being bundled as part of Virgin Media I would expect the subscription and box costs to be rolled into the monthly TV/Broadband/Telephony packages that Virgin offer. There may be a premium for Tivo - or it may be bundled just with the combined TV+Broadband offering as it sounds as if the box will require a decent broadband connection as well as a DVB-C connection for regular broadcast cable.
     
  17. Nov 26, 2009 #77 of 142
    martink0646

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    Carl have you got a source for this or even better a name/contact that I can ring/e-mail for more information. I used to work in telecoms supplying backbone equipment, so I know that the major cost is the dig. That is already done with cables installed, and AFAIK VM use FTTK (Fibre To The Kerb i.e. Streetside cabs) with the 'last mile' (customer connection) being copper as it is still expensive, in equipment terms as opposed to labour, for FTTH (Fibre To The Home).

    I while back (around 2000) I did some work for 186K who were the network arm of Transco (British Gas's infrastructure division) who were exploring using gas pipes to get Fibre into peoples home without digging. It would have been an elegant solution as Fibre has no fire risk in a gas pipe where copper obviously does. It went down the drain when the dotcom bubble burst and 186K's network was bought on the cheap by 3, the mobile provider.

    I mention this as I believe that the conversion is relatively simple with changes needed only at the head end and the Kerb but I may be way off base with this as I have been out of the loop for a few years.

    Martin

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  18. Nov 26, 2009 #78 of 142
    Major dude

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    Reckon you are probably right, it would be nice to have the option of a lifetime sub though.

    Here is hoping that the box Virgin end up offering is comparable with a US TiVoHD XL, rather than some inferior V+ box with limited capacity (albeit with three tuners rather than two), no media streaming and a TiVo GUI.
     
  19. Nov 26, 2009 #79 of 142
    cwaring

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    I'll see what I can do, but my source was the Digital Spy Cable Forum

    Also, just FYI, current V+ pricing structure and info: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/tv/vplus-hd-box.html
     
  20. Nov 26, 2009 #80 of 142
    AMc

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    I can't see how a Virgin Cable Tivo can have a lifetime sub option AFAIK all Virgin cable receivers are rented not owned? Perhaps I'm out of date as they were still Telewest when I moved out of a cable area.
     

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