Advertisements Yes that was my point. As in the Shuttle launch etc by Mission Control. -4 days till the EPG ends and counting etc and anyhow I now realise its -5 as there are 31 days in May. Do you think Trinitron thought I was scoring the AltEPG? If Tivo cut us off on June 1st (which I still do not fully believe will happen despite all the marketing messages sent for Virgin by them mainly because Tribune will still be supplying UK EPG data after June 1st) then the last update for the main BBC, ITV, C4 and Five channels will be this Saturday/Sunday 28/29 May. That means they will run out of data on around 11th or 12th June. However CBS Action (the home of various series of Star Trek including The Original Series) and other more formulaic satellite channels who plan schedules long ahead will have data until the end of the day on June 21st or June 22nd. So not quite as good as 4 weeks grace sadly. I don't think Tivo can send a kill signal to the chips on the box (the hard drive can always be reimaged if they try to mess with that). They can only change us all to Account Closed. Closed Accounts can be reopened at the whim of the server you connect to. The AltEPG server can change account status back to 4:Tivo Internal Test. Anyhow I'm perfectly sure Tivo won't try and kill the boxes and leave them useless as this would undermine one of their main defences to the upcoming rwtomkins court case against them. Namely they can say "your honour the boxes are still able to record with a new free data source from the enthusiast community hence we have not left the boxes useless for our customers". They also won't want all the very negative vibes back in the USA that would be caused by trying to deliberately kill our UK S1 boxes. Of course if the kill signal exists and Mr Neil Berkett's finger was directly on the button to send it I would be a little more worried.