Alternative service up?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by ptruman, May 17, 2011.

  1. May 20, 2011 #81 of 111
    katman

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    I dont think its as simple as that.

    Freeview - BBC1 = 1 irrespective of what UHF Channel the Mux is broadcast on

    Satellite - BBC1 = 101 whatever region you are in

    Analogue - BBC1 could be on one of several different UHF channels depending on where you are in the country and if you are receiving from the main transmitter or a local repeater. eg Here in Great Yarmouth we receive BBC1 from Tacolneston on 62 but part of the town has a local repeater on 33

    The ALTepg would either need to have all the regional transmitters and repeaters in its database, or simply have 1-5 for the five terrestrial channels and some way for you to map that do a UHF channel number but I doubt that tivos internal structure was ever designed to do that.

    We lose analogue in November here.
     
  2. May 20, 2011 #82 of 111
    Pete77

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    I don't see why you need to make libellous comments just because you disagree with someone.

    Except that other members of the AltEPG project have already confirmed there is no possibility of the IDs used by the new service clashing with TMSIDs. I suppose you would rather put weedkiller on your whole flower bed than take the risk of the odd weed coming up in between the blooms.:eek:

    And anyone who has been using Windows for any length of time knows that only an idiot follows a tech support line's advice to reformat their entire hard drive and then spend two days reinstalling all their applications rather than using System Restore to go back a few days or a registry maintenance and repair tool if the problem seems more serious.

    Completely reinstalling Windows as a solution to minor operating headaches hasn't been justified since Windows 98 and Windows Me days. The only time I have needed to completely reinstall Windows in the last 11 years was when a hard drive failed and when some unpleasant piece of software (in fact I think it was Avast AntiVirus) corrupted my hard drive's boot sector.
     
  3. May 20, 2011 #83 of 111
    shabbadoof13

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    I have tried to signup to this service, and have made a forum login but it wont let me do that as it says the username doesnt exist, however i have been able to add a TiVo to that username for some reason

    I have emailed 2 different addresses on the Tivoland website but not had anything back..

    Anyone know who to ask for help..??
     
  4. May 20, 2011 #84 of 111
    TCM2007

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    Ask in the Tivoland forum, not here.
     
  5. May 20, 2011 #85 of 111
    TCM2007

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    ???

    Who was talking about re-installing Windows to cure problems?

    You just make stuff up.

    Oh, and asking if you have psychological problem which forces you to snipe continually at people trying to help you is not libellous.
     
  6. May 26, 2011 #86 of 111
    Automan

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    Just for info...
    At present the AltEPG does not support the channel numbers used by TalkTalk/Tiscali TV.

    Automan.
     
  7. May 26, 2011 #87 of 111
    Pete77

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    Does Tivo currently support that platform at the present time? If it doesn't I agree that now would be a good opportunity to add support for it though. But I assume there would also need to be some new set top box IR codes captured as well in order to achieve that?

    On a similar line of thought using a Tivo to control a Humax Freesat HD box in non Freesat mode seems like a nice idea (so that you then access to Sky News and other channels not supported in the Freesat EPG and have an EPG with favourites to control) except that in Euro Satbox mode you cannot guarantee what the channel numbers will be as it is all reliant on today's local scan results.
     
  8. May 27, 2011 #88 of 111
    Automan

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    My faith in the idea of an alternate EPG has been slightly dashed :(

    It seems several users boxes including my one reboot at intervals from about 10 minutes to three hours.

    Code:
    May 27 03:15:34 (none) Scheduler[158]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal 11
    May 27 03:15:34 (none) Scheduler[158]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system
    May 27 03:36:59 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[158]: (AssertValidPointer, line 2021 ())
    May 27 03:36:59 (none) Scheduler[158]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread Scheduler <158> died due to signal -2
    May 27 03:36:59 (none) Scheduler[158]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 1a344ec 1a32a44 1b96114 1b9645c 1b95fd4 1b9b2f0 1b96d20 1b49078 1aa4508 1b96d20 1b3c9f4 1b3d0dc 1b3de98 1b3dafc 1b3d460 1b3d240 1b4d608 1b495b8 1b171a8 1b16f98 1af55a4 1af898c 1af9404 1bdd77c 1bde5c4 1bf42a8 1b5b5f8 1bdd1b0 1b91bb4 1c0644c 1c063bc 1c23c84 1c23df4 1c27364 1c28374 1c28420 1c27504 1c06298 1c06148 1bf71a4 1c239b0 1c2764c 1c28374 1c28420 1c27748 1c2379c 1c24388 1c2400c 1bf6b00 1c28af4 1800134 ipe
    May 27 03:36:59 (none) Scheduler[158]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal -2
    May 27 03:36:59 (none) Scheduler[158]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system
    
    What happens if when lots of users start using it and something in the guide data starts making everyone's box reboot all the time, perhaps so often that recovery without a disc pull is not possible (more of a problem for non networked Tivo boxes).

    I am always a doom and gloom merchant and like to look at the worse possible scenarios :)

    Automan.
     
  9. May 27, 2011 #89 of 111
    Nimbus

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    Well, they wont be much worse off than how Tivo are leaving us...

    lets stay positive for now, I'm sure whatever the problem is, it can be fixed :)
     
  10. May 27, 2011 #90 of 111
    Pete77

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    T-4 days and counting................
     
  11. May 27, 2011 #91 of 111
    gazter

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    The holy grail for us who have moved from Tivo to mce, is a good reliable (with mistakes corrected) epg. Are AltEpg planning on making an XML of their efforts available for us non tivo users?
     
  12. May 27, 2011 #92 of 111
    Automan

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    Indeed, I gave up on MCE as the guide data and channel data is a bit of a mess...

    Still, was talking to one of my ex colleagues who has 6 tuners in his one, 2 x SAT and 4 x Freeview and he is pretty happy with it.

    Automan.
     
  13. May 27, 2011 #93 of 111
    Pete77

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    However other people seem to have much, much lower expectations than us of what their PVR should be able to do than those of us who have experienced a fully functional Series 1 Tivo.

    From the night I spent on the put you up bed in the living room of my friends house where their Humax Freesat HD box is (I ended up getting little sleep but did lots of Freesat box testing) it is a very poor and limited device indeed compared to a Tivo. The fact that you cannot view Sky News and various other channels not in the Freesat EPG without completely retuning it in dumb Eurosat box mode with hundreds of other channels then tuned in on random channel numbers that are in fact encrypted drove me particularly bananas. Also manipulation of recorded programs on the Freesat box was exceedingly poor compared to an S1 Tivo.
     
  14. May 27, 2011 #94 of 111
    Trinitron

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    Perhaps the name "Freesat" gives the game away? If you want Sky News, you get a "Freesat from Sky" box (do they still do them?). Complaining about it being difficult to receive channels a box isn't designed to receive is a tad harsh.
     
  15. May 27, 2011 #95 of 111
    Pete77

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    Sorry but it is designed to receive any non encrypted FTA channel on the Astra and Eurobird satellites at 28 degrees East and has a Eurosat boxmode for doing it. It is only using it in the artificial walled garden Freesat mode that stops it being viewed.

    By contrast it cannot physically receive 5* or 5USA or Pick TV (formerly Sky Three) because they are encrypted FTV and you need a CAM and viewing card to watch those. A Freesat box cannot support that.
     
  16. May 27, 2011 #96 of 111
    Automan

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    MCE, when I last tried it did not even have the correct channel names for the CBS channels which makes setup very tricky.

    I am just clear & deleting everything on my Tivo and putting it back on Tivo data.

    Like someone else, the log files were full of strange data after 40 or so reboots in one day...

    Automan.
     
  17. May 27, 2011 #97 of 111
    Nimbus

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    Always a ray of sunshine, arent we :rolleyes:
     
  18. May 27, 2011 #98 of 111
    Pete77

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    How is stating a fact having a view either way.

    I personally believe an Alternative EPG will be got working that is largely as good as the current EPG in the end.

    However the relative difficulty of cutting over so many users on one date or migrating Tivo users who are used to a different original EPG structure have I think been a little under estimated. In the countries that started with nothing to begin with then anything at all was better than nothing and a slow build up to a fully working service was also far more acceptable.

    Of course when we have had no EPG service for three or four weeks we may well become far more grateful for anything at all that seems to do the job.
     
  19. May 27, 2011 #99 of 111
    PhilG

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    And anyway, the -4 refers to the last (we assume) successful download of EPG data

    The EPGs themselves will have between 2 and 4 weeks of data as of T-day - so we are far (relatively speaking) from the end of current Tivo EPG

    Which is one reason why I have not (yet) switched over to the alternate EPG

    I am primed to go - just a simple dialin configuration change needed

    In fact, I'll be phasing myself in:

    1. I'll make sure that after the call on May 31st my Tivo will not try and access EPG data from ANYWHERE (I've engineered a dialin configuration that is guarateed to fail!) - I don't trust Tivo inc NOT to leave my Tivo running if it calls in after June 1st
    2. I'll then watch the EPG data dwindle for a week or two
    3. Only then will I switch to the alternate EPG

    I've been involved in too many "big bang" computer changes to want to do one myself!

    Phil G
     
  20. Fred Smith

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    Wrong, at least one can.
     

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