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Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by ptruman, May 17, 2011.

  1. May 20, 2011 #61 of 111
    Pete77

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    Recordings aren't going to be lost by moving over to the AltEPG. Only Season Passes, genre or actor and director wishlists and Thumbs appear as though they will be lost by this change.

    Pulling programs off a Tivo through a network card is not very difficult but reinserting them through a network card so that they show up in Now Playing again seems to be nightmarishly hard so I would not suggest that this is a good option compared to just running Guided Setup again and keeping your existing programs on your Tivo.
     
  2. May 20, 2011 #62 of 111
    TCM2007

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    Decision made simply to keep the back end of project manageable; there have been more than 4 people working on it though.
     
  3. May 20, 2011 #63 of 111
    TCM2007

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    It's not my project in any way. I helped a very little bit with some data preparation, that's all.
     
  4. May 20, 2011 #64 of 111
    Pete77

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    Apologies for any misassumptions on my part in that regard.

    And I suppose many of the main moving forces on the AltEPG may well be keen to protect their anonymity just in case any EPG owner ever decides to try and sue them for infringement of their copyright.
     
  5. May 20, 2011 #65 of 111
    TCM2007

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    Adding every possible combination of RF channel and regional variation would have been a massive task for very little benefit. Simply not worth it for the handful of people it effects, a number which will be zero within months anyway; this was discussed in open forum and not one person said it would effect them.

    I don't know where 20% came from. I'd be surprised if it were 2%.
     
  6. May 20, 2011 #66 of 111
    TCM2007

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    You should install that as a hotkey.
     
  7. May 20, 2011 #67 of 111
    TCM2007

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    Er, that's never been mentioned, and I don't think any of the "moving forces" are hiding their identity.
     
  8. May 20, 2011 #68 of 111
    poissony

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    For my part, I've taken my one and only TiVo (networked) and started using altepg. I did not do a clear and delete but simply re-ran guided setup. All recordings still in place. So far so good. I have a Sky setup and not all channels have guide data yet so I've made full use of the manual record in TiVoWeb until they appear.
     
  9. May 20, 2011 #69 of 111
    Trinitron

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    Nope. First time.

    You still have the problem of allocating UHF channel numbers to broadcast channels. These differ by transmitter. For example, I could receive BBC1 NW on channels 31 (strong) and 55 (patchy). BBC1 in your area is probably on something different. Getting EPG data for BBC1 NW is simple enough, as is setting it up as Channel 1 on Freeview or 101 on Cable or Satellite. But without the regional database there is no way of associating the required analogue channel to the broadcaster. How many people watching analogue TV know the UHF channel numbers of the stations they watch? Do they realise that is how TiVo tunes in?
     
  10. May 20, 2011 #70 of 111
    Pete77

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    Well done on your bravery although if I was you I think I would have stuck with the Tribune data until it ran out and/or the missing channels were added to the AltEPG.
     
  11. May 20, 2011 #71 of 111
    Pete77

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    An unfortunate feature of EPGs is that their content will clearly tend to usually reveal the source.

    I am sure Tivo have no interest whatsoever in trying to stop us keeping our S1 Tivos working (Virgin would however appear to have some interest in stopping them from working in their cabled area judging by their behaviour so far) so I can only hope that there really are some Open Source EPGs out there on the internet with no copyright restrictions whatsoever regarding their use and/or distribution.
     
  12. May 20, 2011 #72 of 111
    spitfires

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    {nods} I'm not talking necessarily about the core stuff but all the peripheral tasks, e.g.:
    - adding users to the database
    - managing the boundaries for the alpha testing
    - writing instructions
    - handling support questions in the forum
    - obtaining and designing the website
    etc.

    In short all the tasks which need to be done but which have taken a considerable amount of the core team's valuable time - time which could have been better spent elsewhere had they asked someone else to do these bits.
     
  13. May 20, 2011 #73 of 111
    Trinitron

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    :confused:
     
  14. May 20, 2011 #74 of 111
    TCM2007

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    A glance at the screen grabs above reveals the source, used by most free systems like MythTV. Should they get shirty there are plenty of others.

    No EPG is copyright free - the TV stations retain copyright in their schedules.
     
  15. May 20, 2011 #75 of 111
    AMc

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    There was some discussion that a clear and delete everything might be needed.

    Taking recordings off and putting them back on so they show up in Now Playing isn't complicated - it's just very slow - google Nanvue
    I did it when I did my last upgrade, wanted to keep recordings and had run out of partitions from previous multidisk upgrades so needed a fresh install.
    Compressing other recordings to playback on Tivo might be more complex I've never bothered doing it.

    I'm glad a rerun of GS is all that's going to be necessary.
     
  16. May 20, 2011 #76 of 111
    PhilG

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    I'm gradually crawling towards utilising the new EPG - and am astounded that all it seems I'll need to do to my Tivo is a one line change to /etc/tclientUK.conf :eek:

    That change has been duly made and Tivo restarted but I am continuing to use the Tivo epg data for now

    Rerunning guided setup after enabling access to Alt-EPG is next - but hopefully AFTER some kind soul has helped me export (and reimport) all my wishlists (anyone?)

    Phil G

    PS In some ways I wish it was harder - to reflect all the work that's gone on behind the scenes!
     
  17. May 20, 2011 #77 of 111
    Automan

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    Don't forget if you have wishlists for actors they will need a tweak.

    e.g. Instead of Lee, Bruce it is Bruce Lee :)

    Automan.
     
  18. May 20, 2011 #78 of 111
    poissony

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    I made a note of my season passes before moving over to altepg but didn't look at wishlists as I don't really use them. However, I see that I have a "Classic Albums" wishlist on my TiVo which must have been there before the switch. I just did a guided setup not a clear and delete.

    Are you sure that wishlists don't persist when just doing a guided setup?
     
  19. May 20, 2011 #79 of 111
    Pete77

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    Your Wishlists will be preserved when you run Guided Setup to switch over to the Alt EPG unless they are genre based wishlists. However your Season Passes won't be preserved as the AltEPG does not use the same TMSIDs but its own set of program identifiers. This all assumes that you ignore the advice from the more paranoid tidy minds to Clear and Delete everything and instead keep all your current data Wishlist and Thumbs data etc. Clearing and Deleting everything is only aimed at making life easier for them (as there will be less support issues caused) but not at making life easier for you. Its the same philosophy as the computer manufacturer who so thoughtfully reformats your entire hard drive when it goes in for replacement of say a broken screen or broken power supply (HP is one such company). That is that they know your computer works when it gets back to your and your valuable lost data isn't their problem.

    At the moment there is no process for converting existing SPs automatically and you would have to set them all up again by hand. There may never be such a process but my advice personally would be to not change to the new EPG for now unless you have a spare machine to do it with and to keep using the Tribune EPG for so long as it provides new data. As things stand there will be a daily EPG download until at least June 1st and although the main BBC/ITV channel data will run out of data around 11th June some of the minor satellite channels will still have data until June 21st.

    Bearing in mind that the AltEPG project does not yet even have data for many of the less popular channels but will do by June 1st my advice would be to hold off on the conversion for the time being.
     
  20. May 20, 2011 #80 of 111
    TCM2007

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    You just can't resist having a dig at every opportunity can you? Is there something clinically wrong with you?

    A clear-and-delete-everything means that you'll be operating in a known an understood environment. Who knows what effect leaving thumb data for a non-existent show will be, or what might happen if an ID still on an old TiVo gets re-used by the new system.

    Anyone whose ever done a clean install of Windows knows it's preferable to doing an in-situ upgrade.
     

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