Alternative service up?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by ptruman, May 17, 2011.

  1. May 19, 2011 #21 of 111
    Nimbus

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    Constructive as ever I see :rolleyes:

    It might not be perfect, but its better than the alternative, and I for one am very grateful for it.
     
  2. May 19, 2011 #22 of 111
    Automan

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    I see wishlists work a little different.

    Instead of Wayne, John it is now John Wayne so any old ones of these you have will need some kind of edit.

    Also no program data for the free horror / movies for men, etc channels :(

    Automan.
     
  3. May 19, 2011 #23 of 111
    mikerr

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    Which is which? ;)

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  4. May 19, 2011 #24 of 111
    TCM2007

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    Asked, and answered!

    It was look at, but doing the mapping was IMHO harder than just getting folks to re-create their SPs. Which really doesn't take that long.

    Prepare to be annoyed (I knew there would be a hidden win to AltEPG!). As the channels, show IDs and even the genres (I think) are changing, historic Thumbs data is unlikely to work. Maybe the genres will, not sure where we ended up on that re: mapping to exiting or re-building from scratch.
     
  5. May 19, 2011 #25 of 111
    ALanJay

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    Congratulations to everyone working on this.

    It sounds although not a seamless transition it could be a great deal worse.

    What I wonder is if sometime before 1st June there will be a simple script or set of commands (assuming remembering nothing - ie how do you get it to r/w) that someone with a networked TiVo can use to change the collection of data and then re-run guided setup.

    As like others I'd like to maintain the current programmes recorded on my TiVo.

    Once again well done the community for coming to our rescue (and suitable boos and hisses to the people at Virgin for forcing the hand and the guys at TiVo for not having the good grace to answer the complaining emails sent to them).

    Alan
     
  6. May 19, 2011 #26 of 111
    ALanJay

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    Now that is what I call support - made a suggestion for easy to follow instructions at 1:21 and just seen over on the other board the answer at 1:33

    :)
     
  7. May 19, 2011 #27 of 111
    spitfires

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    Don't forget the system is only in "alpha" test stage at the moment - it's not "live" ;) The other channels are coming...
     
  8. May 19, 2011 #28 of 111
    DX30

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    I totally agree. People work very hard to ensure TiVo's can continue after 1st June and what thanks do they get? A stream of abusive posts saying how poor AltEPG will be and how things will be totally unacceptable.
     
  9. May 19, 2011 #29 of 111
    Ian_m

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    What about Tracker ?

    I assume the 6 years worth of tracker logs would no longer work ?

    Not a major issue, but we can allways start again.
     
  10. May 19, 2011 #30 of 111
    Heuer

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    :up::up::up::up::up::up::up::p
     
  11. May 19, 2011 #31 of 111
    Pete77

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    So the stark reality of the AltEPG is to potentially lose all Season Passes, Wishlists, Thumbs and recordings accumulated in the last eight and a half years. Even though those recordings, thumbs, SPs and Wishlists survived a major hard drive upgrade six years ago. Also the long term accumulation of all that data was one of my principle reasons for remaining a loyal Tivo user and not defecting elsewhere to another form of PVR.

    Whilst it may be that we have no other choice for the AltEPG nonetheless this situation seems to be distinctly at odds with the bold claims of the some of the creators of the AltEPG that we would all be better off than before. Whilst the AltEPG is of course better than nothing it is clearly not as good as Tivo carrying on the existing EPG service.

    A really substantial improvement in functionality that I would love to see and that might justify the pain of starting again with SPs etc would be Season Passes that could be made to operate on more than one channel and/or Wishlists that could be restricted to only operating on certain channels and if either of those things were in some way possible then I would be more enthusiastic about the new EPG service.

    As it is with my two faithful Samsung HA250JCs now some six years old and with my stated Recording Capacity in System Information having ominously changed a while ago of its own volition from 613 hours at Basic and 175 hours at Best to 442 hours at Basic and 113 hours at Best (even though I cannot spot any recordings that have disappeared as part of this substantial reduction in capacity estimation after several years) the case seems to be made out for the potential acquisition of a 1.5TB SATA Samsung or similar drive and IDE to SATA converter and starting all over again with the Alt EPG service rather than trying to soldier on with the two Samsung HA250JCs.

    In fact the most sensible thing to probably do is to upgrade and press in to service my second Tivo with a Network card for the AltEPG project whilst keeping my current Tivo as it is until all the recordings on it I want to watch have been watched.
     
  12. May 19, 2011 #32 of 111
    Pete77

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    No this is just the constructive criticism of a crusty old stick in the mud who is very fond of all his thumbs and SPs that have continued to work over all these many years for certain programs.

    Your reaction unfortunately seem all too typical of a volunteer who thinks that because they are unpaid that no one should be able to heap anything other than praise on their work. I personally really would be prepared to pay £5 a month for the new EPG so that we could be spared the pained hurt of those AltEPG volunteers with a martyr complex. The same sort of nonsense with the attitude of unpaid volunteers is all too often experienced with those who appoint themselves to the board of self run residents management companies of a block of flats.

    And before anyone control freakish on the AltEPG project suggests banning my IP address I only have a one month contract with my current ISP and am more than prepared to move ISP if I suffer such victimisation. I also have four different working Tivos I can press in to service if someone should discover my first Tivo Service Number..............
     
  13. May 19, 2011 #33 of 111
    mikerr

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    You really are a glass completely empty type aren't you Pete ? :rolleyes:

    You're also wrong on at least the two most important of those:
    recordings and wishlists can be retained when upgrading to the new EPG

    Is it so hard to write down a list of Season Passes and recreate them ?
    It'd take all of 5 minutes. :rolleyes:

    Not that you've tried it...:rolleyes:

    See my screenshot a few posts above in post #23 (hint: the better one isn't the old one)
    altEPG = programme data, that's all - isn't that enough ?
     
  14. May 19, 2011 #34 of 111
    Pete77

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    Correct but given that the current Season Passes actually already list instances of that program being shown on other channels I am sure that the facility for the SP to be told to also record versions of the program shown on another channel can probably be activated by a setting somewhere in the firmware.

    Up to now we have not tinkered with the 2.5.5 firmware for obvious reasons but I suspect that in due course such tinkering will probably begin in earnest once we no longer have an official OEM Tivo service.

    As to me being a glass half empty or fully empty person and all that I think you are ignoring the fact that one of the reasons for continuing using a Tivo is inertia. If people have to do a lot of work to keep their Tivo working they might then begin to consider the full range of alternative PVR options capable of recording programs in HD.
     
  15. May 19, 2011 #35 of 111
    DX30

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    I am not a volunteer on the AltEPG project, just a TiVo owner who is grateful for their efforts.

    I'm afraid if you think you are offering "constructive criticism" you are wide of the mark. You really need to rethink your posting style.
     
  16. May 19, 2011 #36 of 111
    TCM2007

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    That last post simply shows you haven't the least idea what you are talking about (firmware?).

    Recreating SPs is the work of minutes browsing the guide. And as for Thumbs, that just means you'll get some less than perfect suggestions for a day or two. Oh, the humanity!

    You mentioned a while back you might be leaving the country. We could have a whip round for your fare if it would help?
     
  17. May 20, 2011 #37 of 111
    steveroe

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    At this point I'll take this thread slightly off topic, Pete77 style, and point to this little gem that was just mentioned over on one of the US forums "total ignore"
     
  18. May 20, 2011 #38 of 111
    Ian_m

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    So for those of use that are going to switch to AltEPG, have registered to switch and are capable of editting the required TiVo script to get it working....when would be the best time to switch over ?

    - Now ?
    - June 1st ?
    - When TiVo EPG runs out ?
    - Wait a bit until more bugs (if any) are ironed out ?

    I wish to keep recordings (still a lot to watch) so will be editting the script and rerunning guided setup to reconfigure my TiVo. I have a printout of all my season passes (all 214 of them :eek:) and will just re-enter the more interesting ones.
     
  19. May 20, 2011 #39 of 111
    Automan

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    Seems to work and as even started to record Tivo suggestions in under 24hrs of use.

    I only have the free sky box channels and thus am not looking at the epg for every channel.

    It finds programs to record with "William Shatner" in, and films starring "Gary Sinise".

    As mentioned earlier, the CBS channels are blank but it is a "Work in progress".

    One thought/concern is the cost of the project...

    Even when something is free, folks can complain and the more users that use the system the more such issue may arise.

    Plus of course the database needs a server or servers, electricity, a building with 24/7 power and of course a data connection to the web.

    "Nothing is free in Waterworld" as we all know, so I was wondering about long term funding?

    Of course, if there is a fee, that's when the complaints really start :)

    Automan.
     
  20. May 20, 2011 #40 of 111
    spitfires

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    Well healeydave is obviously confident that the software is in its final version or he wouldn't be selling new discs like he is currently.
     

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