Alternate guide data for UK S1 Tivos

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by PhilG, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. TCM2007

    TCM2007 Active Member

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    Supressing a bit strong, but I had a "warning" listing deleted for not being within eBay rules
     
  2. davidshack

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    Easy. Someone (not me) put a TiVo item for sale on Ebay - with the heading (something like) "warning: TiVo service ending 1st June" & a text description explaining the change.
    Within the day Ebay removed the listing!
     
  3. dd_

    dd_ New Member

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    As mentioned on t'other thread, I'm firmly in the AENG/alextegg/martink0646 camp, being happy to put something towards either development costs or subs or both.
    A friend has MythTV, so have thought about that, but alas, I've found it a bit clunky compared to my dear old Tivo.
     
  4. spitfires

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    Ah so that was you... nice one! :up::):up::)
     
  5. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Well you weren't actually selling anything, were you? :p
     
  6. groovyclam

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    As usual this thread has veered wildly off-topic ( thanks Carl - not )

    As I see it the situation is this:

    People fall into two camps:

    1) Dial-up
    2) Networked

    1) Dial-up
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    Those users who are not technical enough to have a networked TiVo ( not a dig - I have taught basic computing and am sympathetic to non-techies ).
    Initially, in order to get a partial solution, I suggest putting these people on hold for the following reason:

    As I understand it to reposition the dial-up number to a new source would still require opening up the TiVo which would be beyond these users.

    Non techie dial-up users are best off, for the moment, either petitioning TiVo to not withdraw the service or find someone who will be willing to offer a new dial-up solution. In all honesty however I think both those options are VERY unlikely due to the miniscule financial rewards ( your opinion may differ but please don't pollute this thread with moaning - there are two other threads for that ).


    2) Networked Users ( me, for one )
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    In order to get the beginnings of a solution, if we as a community can get a ***FREE*** solution available then maybe we can save the dial-up users with it in the long run.
    I haven't done a thorough Google yet but kitchcamp seems to imply it isn't beyond the wit of man to get a something like a weekly file together from listings scrapers, which we could then share ( distribute maybe by BitTottent ) that we can ftp onto our networked TiVos and get absorbed into the TiVos natural listing process.

    I suggest the following for any techie networked uk TiVo owner willing to help:

    Let's set up something like a wiki page or ( ugh ) facebook that we can begin to discuss the technical solution and help each other with the required code and generally pool knowledge outside of the free-for-all at the TiVo Community board.

    I'm not trying to be mean or elitist but if you are not a programmery-techie networked series 1 TiVo owner then please don't contact me - if we get a working solution we will gladly post here on the board for you all to start using it.

    For those that ARE programmery-techie networked series 1 TiVo owners that have time to spare to help then please email me at:

    and we'll take it from there.

    EDIT: Such a place has now been set up by nice chap healydave - go to http://www.tivoland.com/forum/index.php?c=4 for more info
     
  7. Ovit-UK

    Ovit-UK New Member

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    With regards t'other place, (which is new to me) is the correct section to bookmark S1 Support ?
     
  8. whatever2

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    if someone could let me know the other place's address, that would be good...

    used to be here under "1st thing" but the tivo has been so stable and reliable that the account pw is lost to an old email address that i can no longer remember.

    running S1 on dial up, standard... but want to keep abreast of a possible solution :)
     
  9. Heuer

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    Try Googling 'deal' and 'tivo' should give you what you want - i.e. a Forum dedicated to hacking.
     
  10. sad_tivo_man

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  11. alu

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    There is not much to it, really. It's a standard ppp dial-up to establish the IP connection. From there it's the same for dial-up and network card people.

    Not really. The number can be changed using the standard TiVo UI with a simple trick. If necessary anybody with a V.34 modem and a flat broadband connection could provide the service. Of course if 3000 people tried to use that one modem that could be tricky.
     
  12. TCM2007

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    The roll-you-own guide data solutions ignore TiVo's built-in daily call mechanism and install hacks which directly download and install the data. No one has, AFAIK, made a TiVo server emulator.
     
  13. spitfires

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    But that only you gets you "connected".

    As TCM2007 said, it's not a simple case of just downloading a file - there's a whole "conversation" tales place between your Tivo and the Tivo server (it passes things like box serial number; time of last call; any wishlists you have set up; etc; etc) before the programme guide data is finally downloaded.
     
  14. davidshack

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    But, for our purposes, is that necessary?
    ie "serial number" is presumably to check entitlement; "time of last call" ditto (presumably prevents cloned serial numbers).
     
  15. davidshack

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  16. TCM2007

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    If you want to take the "just change the phone number" approach then you have to creat someting an unmodified TiV will understand. If it doesn't get the answers it expects from the server then the daily call will fail. AFAIK no-one has figured out the handshaking etc.

    The tried and tested rout is the best way forward I think, and that's the one the team at Tivoland are working on.
     
  17. technoflare

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    My Tivo box has been left dormant for a year or two now, should have sold it....its fairly worthless now...d'oh
     
  18. irrelevant

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    Only because nobody has bothered; up until now, its only been really interested techies that wanted TiVo in unserviced locations that have needed to do this. Suddenly, there will be a number of people (how many?? anybody know??) with unmodified boxes that need a service but don't have the knowledge to anything much about it, and will just chuck out the box and get something new.

    I don't think it's unachievable to produce something that a unmodified S1 will talk to, and I intend to have a go at doing so.
     
  19. TCM2007

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    Good luck!

    To support the homegrown EPG using that route you'll also need to emulate a full Guided Setup as well as the Daily Call. Again, that's never been done.
     
  20. pscsuk

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    The 'obvious' answer for the non-techies is for there to be a service where someone else will collect your TiVo, replace the disk (or put the necessary scripts on it) and deliver it back. The modem can still be used for a PPP connection to the Internet to get the data.

    I'd argue that needing a hack (that can be installed by someone else, or shipped on an imaged disk) is a more realistic solution than trying to reverse engineer the TiVo servers.

    Reverse engineering the protocol may be fun for someone, but if we rely on that, what happens if there's one case which isn't found during testing but then comes up later (after the proper service has been discontinued) and defeats the whole system...
     

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