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Altered Carbon - Netflix, All Episodes, Season 1

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  1. Feb 12, 2018 #81 of 103
    Anubys

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    That was the thing that bothered me, we never got any explanation on why Ortega was a great fighter...
     
  2. Feb 12, 2018 #82 of 103
    BlueMerle

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    In one of the episodes, don't remember which, it was explained that constantly using different sleeves would cause psychosis, while you could re-sleeve in your own clone as often as you wanted with no ill effects.

    We saw all the different sleeves that Rei was using, so I assume that she was genuinely insane. And that that explained her childish/incestuous fixation on Kovacs.
     
  3. Feb 12, 2018 #83 of 103
    aaronwt

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    I just finished Altered Carbon Saturday night. I really enjoyed it. Especially with Atmos audio in HDR and UHD. I didn't even plan on watching the rest of the season, but at the end of each episode I wanted to find out what was going to happen next. So I ended up watching five episodes straight from my XB1X(for access to the Atmos audio)
     
  4. Feb 12, 2018 #84 of 103
    andyw715

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    So if there is a season 2 I wonder what path it will take?

    Book 2 - "Fallen Angels" OR continuation of current story (new content)?
     
  5. Feb 13, 2018 #85 of 103
    dcheesi

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    Seemed like they were setting it up for a new unconnected story-line, aside from Kovacs' over-arching "Grail" quest for Quell's hidden stack/consciousness. I would expect a new actor and possibly a different planet.

    Whether they use any of the Book 2 story-line probably depends on the rights negotiations as much as anything.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2018 #86 of 103
    mrpope

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    I'm almost through it. The actor who plays the sleave who she puts her grandma in and then the gangster is very good. He was very believable as all three characters. :)
     
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  7. Feb 14, 2018 #87 of 103
    dcheesi

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    Yeah, I remember being impressed by how well each "Twin" actor carried off the character and accent (and especially this guy). Then the actor playing Takeshi's previous sleeve came in and totally butchered the accent :(
     
  8. Feb 19, 2018 #88 of 103
    Chuck_IV

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    I agree. I think they made a point to show that she was basically going/was insane at that point.

    I just (finally) finished it a pretty much loved it. I wasn't expecting too much so maybe that is why I liked it so much. There were some good twists and I felt like that put just the right amount of "flashback" in to give to a real view into their history... except for Ortega. I wanted more insight into her character's history. All we really got was occasional flashbacks with Ryker.

    Otherwise, I'm in for season 2, if there is one(since Joel Kinnaman signed on with an Amazon series, I'm not sure, if they do a season two, we will see the original actors) :)
     
  9. Feb 19, 2018 #89 of 103
    Rob Helmerichs

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    If they want him back it shouldn't be a problem...these aren't "full-time" jobs, it should be relatively simple to schedule around each other, and the first contract should take precedence (unless he's been released).
     
  10. Feb 26, 2018 #90 of 103
    OhFiddle

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    This got put on the back burner during the Olympics, but I finally finished the season. I probably shouldn't have even looked at this thread as early as I did. I always forget than I'm a real lightweight binging new shows and usually take a couple of weeks to finish a season, while some of you finish the season within a few days!

    Overall it was enjoyable enough, although like someone else mentioned not nearly as entertaining sci-fi as The Expanse to me. All the nudity didn't really bother me after those first two episodes. Once the story got rolling it didn't seem as over the top and wasn't dominating every episode like I thought it might based on the comments. Regarding the plot, I didn't really get Rei's whole convoluted plans and obsession with her brother. That whole aspect just seemed a little odd. Tak's explaining everything that happened to the room full of people in the end reminded me of the end of an episode of Monk or Murder She Wrote.

    Some of the things that I assume were supposed to be surprises just weren't because of how they were handled.
    Example:
    When I started the episode where Ortega went back to the apartment after fighting all the Rei clones I thought maybe I missed an episode, because she was last seen with the little girl sleeve. Then I realized I didn't miss an episode... hence Ortega must actually be Rei.

    Like I said though it was entertaining enough, I liked the main premise, and I'd most likely watch another season. I was surprised when people suggested Joel Kinnamen might not be back.
    I thought the whole point of him cloning himself was to allow one sleeve to die dramatically, but still have the actor reprise the role next season. To me the cloning didn't really seem essential to the plan otherwise. But, in the end he talked about returning the sleeve to Ryker anyways. So, I dunno.
     
  11. Feb 26, 2018 #91 of 103
    ej42137

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    Spoilers aren't needed for an all-episode thread. But I'm going to spoil one of my replies because it talks about the events in the books.
    We last saw that little girl clone in Rei's collection of sleeves; so we the audience know that Tak was giving his sister a bath, not Ortega. The suspense is whether and when Tak will figure it out. Also continuing the major squick factor.

    Regarding that point,
    Last Envoy trilogy consists of three novels emulating different genres. The first is a film noir hard-boiled detective story, the second a war story, the third a buddy caper; neither the second nor the third take place on Earth. Tak's sleeve in the second novel is a Maori-derived genotype and the third novel he's back in a Hungarian/Nipponese body, so if season two follows the second book we're not going to see Ryker/Kinnamen ever again.
    It would also short-circuit the ending of season one for Tak to take Ryker's sleeve back again after going to so much trouble to get Ryker back into it for Ortega.

    We've already seen that done to "death" by Rei, have we not?
     
  12. Mar 2, 2018 #92 of 103
    OhFiddle

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    If it gets more seasons and they follow the plots you mentioned from the books, that'll be interesting and keep it fresh. The detective murder mystery stories are so abundant already that it's nice to see something different.
     
  13. Mar 2, 2018 #93 of 103
    Anubys

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    I think the long term arc is that tree and the ancient civilization...so there should be a lot of interesting stuff besides detective stories...
     
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  14. Mar 3, 2018 #94 of 103
    wprager

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    Sleeves and accents were inconsistent. When the Russian guy (Tahmoh) was using the Takeshi sleeve he still had (or at least tried) the Russian accent. But when Rei was using Ortega sleeve she still spoke with Ortega's accent.
     
  15. Mar 3, 2018 #95 of 103
    eddyj

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    But she was trying to pass for Ortega, so that makes sense.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2018 #96 of 103
    Steveknj

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    It was the Atmos and UHD that kept me coming back. The show looked and sounded fantastic. The story? I'm not really sure what I just watched. To me, it was all eye candy and special effects. Every so often I need a show like that. Off to find the next show on Netflix to watch :)
     
  17. Mar 6, 2018 #97 of 103
    wprager

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    She continued with the accent even after he figured it out.
     
  18. Mar 7, 2018 #98 of 103
    eddyj

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    She was still playing head games with him.
     
  19. Jul 23, 2018 #99 of 103
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    I binged this while on a business trip last week, finishing it up last night. I enjoyed it, but I felt like either I missed a lot of stuff, of the story was pretty convoluted. Sounds like it's more the latter.

    Visually it was really good, although there were some moments that the CGI set pieces felt overly fake. I thought the acting was just fine. Both the violence and the nudity were gratuitous, but when you're going film noir style, "gratuitous" seems to be pretty much the standard approach.

    What I enjoyed the most...but also felt most disappointed in, was the philosophy/ethics/culture introduced by the entire tech of DHF. Bodies are replaceable, but only for those with connections and/or lots of money. The show obviously spends a decent amount of time focusing on the haves/have nots part of this, but it also seems that there are plenty of sleeves for any time the story needs to swap people around--including Kovac's old body, which was pretty much destroyed centuries ago (so I'm assuming the one that Dimi used was a clone?). And while twinning is illegal, apparently it's not terribly difficult (even though they say it's painful, but never really show that). So if twinning is doable, why is it that stack backups only seem to keep the most recent version? It seems like the uber rich would just keep constant snapshots of themselves.

    I also felt like the murder mystery was all over the place, with the Rei/"Head in the clouds" payoff crammed in right near the end. I'll probably wind up re-watching the series, though, to see how much more I can pick up on; I'm sure there were lots of clues I missed.
     
  20. eddyj

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    Not sure what twinning has to do with multiple backups. The uber rich DO keep multiple backups (although I may know this from the book, not the series). This is made clear (again, maybe only in the book) when he goes and destroys her backups.
     
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