alt epg now taking subscriptions

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by spitfires, May 21, 2011.

  1. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

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    Possibly because of the Pete77-like way you brought the issue up?
     
  2. TCM2007

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    Something which is now 10,000 times more likely since you inaccurately (and in my view deliberately maliciously) referred to "subscriptions" in a forum you know TiVo monitors. Either you're not engaging brain before posting, or you're being disingenuous claiming you're trying to help.
     
  3. spitfires

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    Look I didn't want to raise it here but I tried to ask the question in tivoland's forum and Dave said I couldn't. If you don't believe me ask him. He solely decides what can and can't be discussed on the alt epg forum.

    If no-one is ever going to be allowed to ask questions that might disturb the cosy love-fest for fear it might upset the all-powerful one then the long term viability of this project is questionable.

    And if you think TiVo & VM aren't reading the tivoland forum as well as this one then you are the one being naive.
     
  4. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

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    I don't recall saying anything of the sort, I did ask you not to continue to contaminate threads with off-topic comments.
    That was the point where you moped off in sulk, not to be heard from for a week or so, (which was bliss and seemed like a month).

    I knew it would niggle at you though keeping so quiet for so long and that it would only be a matter of time before you tried something like this again :(

    I'm glad other people can see through spitfires intentional warping of situations if it means he can try and score points in his obvious vendetta against me.

    Nether-the-less, I have removed the "requested" 2nd option for donating.
     
  5. Heuer

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    Every Forum needs a Moderator ...........
     
  6. TCM2007

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    Question? You posted a mischief making "fact" about AltEPG taking subscriptions, that's not a question.
     
  7. spitfires

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    ^ I'm taking about Dave's voluminous and vituperative PMs he sends me every time I try to raise a question on the tivoland forum he either misunderstands or doesn't like.


    @Heuer - There's a difference between being a moderator and being a censor.


    So I asked you if I could start a new topic so that it would not then be "off-topic" (IYO) and you said no you didn't want to discuss it.


    Your formal warning of expulsion from the project made it perfectly clear to me that I was not welcome, despite the fact that *you* totally misinterpreted what I meant.
     
  8. Heuer

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    Have you heard - the famous footballer who has taken out a super-injunction about a relationship with Imogen Thomas is none other than XXXXX XXXXX?

    Moderation or censorship?
     
  9. spitfires

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    Not being allowed to discuss whether the community should sell upgrade discs is deemed "off-topic".

    Moderation or censorship?
     
  10. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

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    And still you try to mis-lead people and twist things, forcing me to waste yet more time having to go back and check things to be sure I'm not mistaken.
    I have just checked, and when you asked about could you start a new thread (as opposed to contaminating existing threads), that was in relation to forum in-dependancy.

    You just have to keep pushing and pushing don't you? , do you never know when to quit goading people???
     
  11. spitfires

    spitfires wassock

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    In which case I apologise for being mistaken.

    So can we raise a thread on the alt epg forum to discuss what happens to the money received in donations?
     
  12. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

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    No it wouldn't!

    I'd like to ask if you F***ing deaf!!! , but of-course it wouldn't make any sense, basically I've already typed it out in plain english in post 10!!!
    and asking the same things again when nothing has changed since a few hours previously is exactly the same annoying actions you were doing before!
     
  13. orangeboy

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    Wouldn't it be more appeasing just to say that the donations are going to infrastructure costs (electric, network, servers, software, etc.)?
     
  14. spitfires

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    Dave,
    Let's just put the record straight.

    I was working away doing alpha testing for you, and answering people's questions where I could, and then I make one post asking whether we as a community should sell upgrade discs and then you throw a giant paddy - threatening me with expulsion from the project! [1] No friendly "I don't like your post" or "I'd rather we didn't discuss this" - :boom: official warning from on high.

    Apparently this was all because my post was "thread contamination" - whatever that means - despite the fact that I was responding to something raised in a post 2 above mine in the thread. So I started a new thread on the same subject to avoid your "contamination". You went apoplexic; deleting my posts (but not your own - so leaving a one-sided argument), calling me names, throwing insults, behaving like a bully and playing the crowd for sympathy.


    It's your mistruths and obfuscations that get me. To claim it is "impossible" to set up an independent forum on the altepg site is nonsense; why not come clean and say you want to drive people to the tivoland site for commercial reasons. No-one (least of all me) will complain if you're honest - just stop pretending there's another reason.

    What was set up as a community project has been taken over by you and turned into a marketing vehicle for tivoland. Fine, I have no problem with that, but please be honest about it.

    It is quite clear the power you wield:
    - you personally, own all the domain names and the Tivoland-branded support forum
    - you personally, own the license to the epg server program
    - you exclusively, control the websites & moderate the forum and are sole arbiter on what can be discussed
    - you control who gets put in the customer database thereby dictating who can use the epg and who can't.

    It is obvious you can do exactly what you like without any consultation with anyone else whatsoever. With that power comes the responsibility to behave fairly and with probity. Otherwise the project is doomed - just think what would have happened if 10 years ago the tivocmommunity forum was moderated solely by TiVo Inc.!


    You are running this project as your own personal fiefdom with you as sole arbiter of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'. Your bullying tactics just means that most people are afraid to say anything you might not like for fear of you denying them access to the alt epg service.

    I think it's best summed up by your latest ebay advert
    That's somewhat more powerful a statement than your "sponsored by tivoland" strapline. Just be honest and admit you have seen the potential for personal gain out of this project, rather than acting all hurt and offended when someone mentions the obvious conflict of interest between you as beneficiary of tivoland and you being sole judge & jury of everything that is permitted on the project.


    Contrary to what you would try and make people believe I have never said an ill word against you and I have repeatedly thanked you both publicly and privately for all the work you have done both now and over the last 10 years. However you conveniently overlook this and continually carp on about some alleged vendetta. Grow up.

    Of course you will ignore everything I have written since it does not agree with your dogma. Oh well, I shall leave you to your cosy love-fest. Best of luck and thanks again for all your work in organising and setting up the alt service.

    Kind regards,
    Geoff



    [1] (I kid you not people - I received a "Formal Warning" from him for this action).
     
  15. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

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    Not an entirely accurate portrayal of events yet again, but I'll take your "Oh well, I shall leave you to your cosy love-fest" as an indication that we can agree to disagree, this is beyond reconciliation. You have made your feelings quite clear, so if you are physically able to refrain from stoking trouble in the future, there will be no means for our paths to cross again! (i have my doubts).
     

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