Allen vs. Farrow - HBO/HBO Max *spoilers*

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  1. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    ??? "As I've said before, if “Cancel-Culture” was real, this guy wouldn’t be making a movie every year." So because Allen was not "cancelled" before "cancel culture" was a thing, "cancel culture" isn't real.


    OHHHHH, Kaaaay.
     
  2. Family

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    There's really a debate whether Woody Allen is a creep or worse.

    Manhattan was a movie about an adult man having a romance with a 16 year old girl. In a 2015 interview Hemingway said during filming when they were going to Paris Allen's plan was to share a room with him. During their kissing scene Allen "attacked her like a linebacker."

    Maybe every allegation in the documentary isn't true, but there is enough pattern of behavior from enough different sources. CREEP!
     
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    Well, remember the 17 year old I mentioned?

    She's said that people from Mia's camp have tried to get her to say she was 15 (not 17) when her relationship with Woody began.

    Really want to give Mia & her people a pass on that one?
     
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  4. Steveknj

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    In court they will frequently look into the character of the accuser as they do of the accused. I know some look at it as "whataboutism", but you have to consider the types of things the accuser is capable of before assuming everything she says is true. That's why most of the known facts actually back up Allen. The rest is really hearsay and innuendo, at least from what I know about this, and we'll see how the rest of the series goes. Maybe there's more damning information coming. It's quite possible that Allen molested his daughter, but it's also possible it was fabricated by Mia as payback to Allen's relationship with her adopted daughter. People keep bringing up Manhattan, and I have to say it's been years since I've watched it, so I don't remember how it ends. But we've seen, as pointed out, May-December romances mainstreamed on TV and movies. It's not that unusual. I get that she was the daughter of his girlfriend (NOT his adopted or step daughter, which I would agree, would be weird) but unless we know all the facts, I'm going to not accuse him of anything bad, or even weird.
     
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  5. latrobe7

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    Yes, "Cancel-Culture" is inconsistently applied in the public sphere - do you disagree?

    BTW, have you watched this show?
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    No...I really don't have time for four hours of propaganda, which by all accounts is what it is.
     
  7. latrobe7

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    I'm not "giving a pass" to anyone.

    And y'all might not think it's "bad" for a guy to date a woman for over 10 years, then take up an affair with he daughter who he has known since she was 11 or 12; I do.
     
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  8. latrobe7

    latrobe7 Fine for real TCF Club

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    But you have a lot of time to comment in a thread about it?

    I don't think the show is any more propaganda than the articles you posted up-thread; but then I have a more informed view, having actually read the articles AND watched the show.
     
  9. Tony_T

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    17... I’m guessing it was the age of consent at the time.

    Woody must have one of these:

     
  10. Family

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    This wasn't just "his girlfriend." They lived together and adopted at least one child together. He lived in the same house as an adult male for many years when his current wife was a minor. I don't see why a legal document declaring marriage changes any opinion.

    My reference to Manhattan was Hemmingway's comments in 2015 concerning Allen's behavior with her. What does that have to do with how the movie ended or a May-December romance? Allen was 45 and Muriel was 16. In what world are Allen's actions ok with regards to Hemingway?
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    They never lived together...apparently, he never even spent the night at her place. And one of the conditions of their relationship was that he would have nothing to do with the children...and by all accounts, he pretty much lived up to his end of that bargain.
     
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  12. Steveknj

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    Yeah, you need to get your facts straight. And we've said a few times in the thread that they weren't living together. They had their own places (even pointed out by Mia in the TV documentary), and as Rob said, had little to do with her older adopted children, until Soon-Yi got older and they started hanging out. It would be like if you had a friend that you met and your friends daughter was away at college, and then you met her. It was like that.

    As far as Mariel, I'm not familiar with her interview or her motives either.
     
  13. Steveknj

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    Watched the next episode. Lots more hearsay and painting Allen as a certain type. It's amazing how one sided this is. I'm not sure I'm in for the whole series.
     
  14. latrobe7

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    Yes, how dare they have a thesis and then show evidence in support of that thesis, what a sham. :rolleyes:

    Woody certainly has as many avenues to get his story out.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    If you ignore all the evidence on the other side, then yes, it IS a sham. In my teaching days I would have given a paper that did that an F, even if I agreed with their thesis.
     
  16. latrobe7

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    Have you watched the show yet?
     
  17. Rob Helmerichs

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    Nope. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like an F paper.
     
  18. latrobe7

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    You're guilty of exactly what you accuse the filmmakers of.

    I've seen both sides of the evidence. The evidence the Farrow side presents is far more persuasive.
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    I've seen both sides, and reached the exact opposite conclusion. The Farrow side only makes any sense whatsoever if you ignore the majority of the actual evidence.
     
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  20. Steveknj

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    I've watched the show. To me, the show portrays one side of the story. It would be as if you had a court case and only the prosecutor presented their case and the jury never heard the defenses case. Of course you'd vote guilty, because you only have one side of the story. From what I understand about this show, Woody and Sun-Yi were only aware of it post production and only about a month before airing. They didn't even get the chance to be part of it.

    Now, after hearing ALL the evidence (both sides), we can draw whatever conclusion seems most plausible to us. Rob and I see it one way, you see it another way. That's fair. But don't use this show as a fair portrayal of what happened. Even Woody's adopted son says he recanted all the bad things he said about Woody. They actually said that at the end of the episode (quickly in passing and without an interview).
     

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