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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Steveknj, Feb 23, 2021.
...the definition of “old enough to be their father”
Given the ubiquity of DNA testing, this seems like an easy puzzle to solve if they wanted an answer?
Apparently, he won't say whether he's been tested and if so, what the answer is.
They've joked about it in the past, but they've stopped. Frank married Barbara in 1976. Ronan was born in 1987. Frank's family pushed back hard on the notion that he cheated with Mia in the late 80s. Ronan is Woody's son.
Just because they pushed back hard, doesn't make it true. Only way to know for sure is a DNA test.
And your point is? You make this sound like this isn't common. It's probably much more common than you think, especially with single guys. Heck there was a TV show about a guy marrying someone much younger than him a few years ago (name escapes me, but it had Malin Anderson, and the guy from the West Wing). It didn't feel creepy at all to me.
Mia has said that she never stopped being with Sinatra, long after their divorce. And again, if you look at Ronan, he could be a Sinatra clone. He looks nothing whatsoever like Allen.
My point is that Woody (at 56) was old enough to be Soon-Yi’s (21) father.
60 yr olds having a relationship with 25 yr olds is not unheard of
(60 yr olds taking naked pictures of their SO’s adult child is, and this is what I described as “creepy”), but it certainly is not common, and in most cases, it’s for the money.
And I always find when TV shows (Mom comes to mind), and Movies (most of Allen’s later films) that have Winter / Spring romances is just the writers male fantasies realized on film.
Oh, I know that is one point of view. And as I said, from everything I have heard about their relationship, Soon-Yi and Woody had had a very limited relationship before she became an adult. There's no physical or legal relationship. What would think if, for example that Soon-Yi had lived with her father? Or had left the nest and was living on her own? Is it still creepy? Realize, as I said, that Frank Sinatra was "old enough to be (Mia's) father when they were together. That in and of itself is not creepy at all.
And considering that they have been married all these years, means that there is a definite loving relationship between them. Seems to have worked out fairly normally.
The other issue, with child molestation with the younger daughter is another matter, and if true, definitely creepy.
Although the articles I linked to make a pretty convincing case that the allegation is impossible to believe...
Well, you were close...
It was literally called Trophy Wife. ABC, 2013. Bradley Whitford & Malin Akerman. He played Josh Lyman on WW, and most recently Perfect Harmony (an underrated show IMHO). Malin is in Billions (plays Axe's wife, on rare appearances).
Hahaha, well yeah, kind of close. For the life of me I couldn't remember Bradley's name (though I've seen him lots of things, and only KNOW he's been on West Wing which I have only seen a couple of episodes.) I didn't realize she was on Billions which I also haven't watched since I don't have Showtime.
But yeah, the whole premise of the show is that Malin's character is "young enough to be his daughter"
She was also one of the main stars of the Watchmen movie. The best thing I've seen her in, though, is The Comeback, an extremely underrated Lisa Kudrow vehicle.
There's also Jay and Gloria in "Modern Family". Heck, Julie Bowen who plays Jay's daughter is a couple years older than Sophia Vergara who plays Gloria.
didn't do the imdb search for his name then find the other show? (joking, I do sometimes, but sometimes don't bother)
ok I watched the first ep last night. Definitely weirder than I thought, and it sure seems like Mia said Ronan was Woody's kid..
What's the usual burden of proof in child molestation cases if the child themselves isn't considered a reliable narrator?
As I've said before, if “Cancel-Culture” was real, this guy wouldn’t be making a movie every year. And if "Times-up" for real this time, I'm all for it.
Just what we know on the face of it is creepy and has always been creepy. And you may say, "Hold him to account for that, not something unproven" - And I do, and I take the allegations from the alleged victim and her brother - whom even Woody's biggest defenders acknowledge have more than the right to assert what they believe - at face-value.
I find it telling most defenses of Woody acknowledge the accusers right, then spend paragraphs discrediting their story, before inevitably devolving into "What-About-Mia", as if them both being weird creeps excuses one, but not the other.
It’s always kind of pissed me off that actors and actresses I otherwise love, continue to fall over themselves to work with him, and people I otherwise respect, continue to like his movies. Though less and less of the latter, which makes the former look all the more hypocritical in our “me too” world.
He’s a hedonistic narcissist behind his nebbish façade. I hope he finally gets the ignominy he deserves.
...except his movies haven't been getting releases lately, and a lot of actors are falling all over each other to distance themselves from him...
His career has pretty much ended, although of course that could change at some point in the future.
Over 25 years after proving himself a creep, during that time made 30+ movies with A-list talent; won 2 Golden Globes (one of which is a lifetime achievement award),1 Oscar and more nominations than I care to count.
Better late than never, I guess!