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  1. Feb 6, 2004 #101 of 282
    AJRitz

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    I know what you mean about Xander Doug, but in Season 1 and the first part of Season 2, it was pretty much normal high school boy stuff. Leaving the specifics somewhat eliptical to avoid needing spoiler tags: Not being able to see his childhood friend as a "girl", maintaining a low-simmer crush on the hot new girl -- those things were pretty normal. Even having some jealousy toward Buffy's "boyfriend" made sense. But by the end of Season 2 Xander is doing things that he KNOWS are incredibly hurtful to Buffy. At the same time, he's in this bizarre relationship of his own with what amounts to the anti-Buffy. And he seems to have become downright mean to Willow at times. I keep waiting for someone to just slap him upside the head and point out, in great detail, what an ass he's become.
     
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    dswallow

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    It might be said that this happens in season 6, but it's kinda subtle. He remains generally true to season 1-5's Xander though, at least so far... 3 more episodes to watch. ;)
     
  3. Feb 6, 2004 #103 of 282
    Zevida

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    AJRitz:

    To answer the question you asking in your spoiler:

    In Anne, the demon world time moved extremely slow compared to the regular world. So for one year that passes in the demon world, maybe only one minute passes in the human world. So if Buffy was only down there for a few hours, then less then a second may have passed in teh human world. The boyfriend of Lily's was found dead from old age. Meaning, he spent maybe sixty years in the demon world while only maybe twenty-four hours had passed in the human world.

    I think you just had the timing backwards :0)
     
  4. AJRitz

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    Well, I was sick with the flu from Saturday through Monday. It royally sucked, except that I did get to watch all of Season 3 and start Season 4 of Buffy. I decided to just steam ahead without worrying about the Angel crossovers - I couldn't wait. First, let me say WOW. The only thing that keeps me from being mad that I didn't watch this when it was on in the first place is that I'm not sure I could have tolerated waiting 7 days between episodes. The last episode that I've seen is "Beer Bad" - cracked me up!
    Cave-girl Buffy was oddly hot! And Willow was great in the confrontation with Parker - playing along and then, "How gullible do you think I am?" Go Willow! I'm glad that Xander is becoming a bit less annoying. Apparently his abortive trek across America did him some good.
     
  5. TampaThunder

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    Well, we have finally found the one person who liked that episode! :D
     
  6. LoadStar

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    Agreed on Beer Bad. There were good moments in the episode... unfortunately the theme of the episode as a whole is anvil-icious, from the title on down... beer turns people into neanderthals.

    I personally think that the episode "Bad Eggs" was FAR worse of an episode than "Beer Bad" was.
     
  7. Drewster

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    Hey, I LOVED "Bad Eggs"!
     
  8. AJRitz

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    I like "Beer Bad" precisely because it was a nothing but fun episode. No major plot or character development (other than a very minor confirmation of Buffy's continued struggles to adjust to college life and finding an excuse for the non-collegian Xander to hang around), no real "bad guy". Forget "theme" - this one wasn't about theme. It was just fun.
     
  9. AJRitz

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    Okay, I'm just over 1/3 of the way through Season 4 now, and a couple of things about Pangs really bug me:

    1. Why would Spike turn to Buffy, of all people, when he was unable to feed and essentially defenseless? He's supposed to be some big bad tough guy who's offed two slayers in his "deathtime". Why wouldn't he just keep talking tough back with his own gang, suck up to Harmony, and let her bring him relatively fresh but already dead victims to stay fat and happy on?
    2. Once Spike does show up, why don't they stake him? Sure, he has some info for them. But so far he's tried to kill Buffy at least three times, kidnapped Willow once (and would have killed her this time, if he had been capable), bitten Joyce, the list goes on and on. Get what info you can out of him and then get on with it.

    I have to admit though, even as obvious as it was now in retrospect, Xander's closing line in Pangs almost made me do a spit take last night.
     
  10. peitsche

    peitsche Immer vor der Glotze

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    wow AJRitz, you are marching along relentlessly...I am taking in the first season of Alias before diving back into Buffy's circle in season 3....but I'm glad I have something to look forward to...


    btw, I think some people are taking Xander's character too seriously...I always just viewed him as a goofball...but then I've only seen two seasons so far....
     
  11. Thaed

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    I'm with you on Xander as goofball, but then in Season 6 he, well, you'll find out.
     
  12. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    Yup, end of S6 is a doozy.
     
  13. AJRitz

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    I had to bump this thread back up, as I finished watching Season 4 last week, and I'm now waiting impatiently for Amazon to deliver Season 5 (damned free SuperSaver shipping - I knew I should have bit the bullet and paid for overnight delivery :).

    All I can say is that this is a remarkably well-constructed series, both in terms of individual episodes building a cohesive and integrated season and then each season building on the one before. Just wonderful television. The way I see it:

    Season One - Introduces the concept of the slayer. The focus is mostly on vampires, including the "Big Bad" of the season being a vampire. Buffy is already recognized as a bit of a different kind of slayer, in that she has a group of friends who are involved in her "work", instead of being a lone warrior. The battle here is almost purely physical.

    Season Two - A little more metaphysical. The "Big Bad" may technically be Angelus/Acathla, but it really is Buffy herself. The Slayer needs to be able to batter more than just vampires - demons can be even nastier. Can she overcome her need for the group and her feelings for Angel to do what a Slayer must do? The group has also developed. They're not so much hangers-on now - they've developed roles in the process (especially Willow). The key to the battle is emotional instead of physical.

    Season Three - Buffy is no longer bringing the pain - instead it is being brought to her. Even those whom Buffy thinks are there to help her often hurt her - Cordelia wishes she had never come to town, Faith becomes an enemy instead of an ally, in order to save Angel (who she already knows she's losing in the long term) Buffy has to give up herself. Finally, Buffy has to bring everyone back together in order to defeat an ever-bigger Big Bad - this team a full-fledged Demon. And this time "everyone" is even bigger than just the Scooby gang. The key to the battle now is not just emotional and physical, but also philosophical (note the difference between Faith's and Buffy's idea of what the Slayer's role is, and the Council's refusal to assist in the "healing" of a vampire, regardless of the vampire's willingness to work toward the same goals as the Council).

    Season Four - Disorientation in new surroundings. The biggest "Big Bad" yet. The Big Bad is more than just Adam and an army of human/demon hybrids, but also the U.S. government. The Scooby Gang finally bounces pretty much all of the way back to where they were before the emotional turmoil caused by Buffy having to skewer Angel and send him to Hell back at the end of Season Two. The magical melding of the Scooby Gang made them a truly unified force again. It's now all of the above - a physical battle with Adam, an emotional battle with lonliness and isolation when on your own for the first time, a philosophical battle (with Riley initially taking the Council's position viz vampires), and a metaphysical battle as, for the first time, magic plays a critical role in the outcome of the final battle.
    Yep, those Season 5 DVD's can't get here soon enough!

    QuickEdited to add even more of my ramblings about the development of BtVS from season to season.
     
  14. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    If that's the way you see it, Season 5 will absolutely knock your socks off. :)
     
  15. AJRitz

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    Skittles-
    You're not helping with my impatience here . . .
     
  16. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    If it makes you feel any better, I'm tapping my own foot, waiting impatiently for Uncle Sam to give me my tax refund so I can order all 5 of the Buffy boxed sets from Amazon. :D






    Granted, I've already seen all the Buffy episodes, but work with me here
     
  17. brahamt

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    AJRitz, I think you wrote an exellent synopsis and for my money, you are right on point.

    Now to further increase your impatience; I'm having a hard time deciding it S3 or S5 is the best season. In any case, you have a great season awaiting you.
     
  18. AJRitz

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    According to the UPS tracking, my package left Salina, KS at 1:30 this afternoon. Unfortunately, I'm not set for delivery until February 19. That means it'll probably arrive at the Lenexa sort facility tonight and then they'll sit on it for a day and it'll go out for delivery on Thursday. Luckily, I have to teach on Wednesday night, so I wouldn't have time to watch any episodes anyway -- otherwise the extra 24 hour wait would drive me crazy!

    Skittles - The friend who finally pushed me to watch Buffy was in town over the weekend. We were talking about the fact that my impressions the show are probably different from those of someone who was watching the episodes as they aired. I didn't have to suffer through the anticipation of the next show in a week (or in three months) and I didn't have to put up with promotional spots that tend to spoil surprises. I think it allowed me to enjoy the "filler" episodes more than someone who watched as they aired, because I could appreciate them for what they were without being disappointed that I'd have to wait another week for an episode with more "meat" to it - i.e. my appreciation for Beer Bad, an episode that many people hated.

    brahamt - You're right, you're not helping. I have to agree that my favorite season so far is Season 3 and that, with the exception of the final battle with Adam, Season 4 was somewhat disappointing in comparison.
     
  19. whoknows55

    whoknows55 Well-Known Member

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    Let me just second what Skittles said. Season 5 rocks!
     
  20. Skittles

    Skittles West Coast citizen!

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    I'm with you all the way on this.

    I watched Buffy after it'd finished its initial airing, when a friend of mine (who's a huge Buffy/Angel fanatic) suggested I start watching it. I've found that some of my favorite episodes are the "one-off" offerings that don't directly tie into the overall story arc, particularly Beer Bad and A New Man. When I told my friend how much I'd enjoyed Beer Bad, he sort of scoffed at me as though I'd insulted him. :)

    I probably had it a bit worse than you, because watching it on FX (rather than on DVD) meant waiting over weekends before I could watch the next episode. Still, it's better than waiting weeks/months between them. But, at the same time, those weekend breaks would always coincide with some of the cliffhanger episodes. :)

    You, however, have it much worse. Once you finish the Season 5 boxed set, you're stuck either (A) waiting a month or two for FX to cycle the Season 6 reruns, or (B) waiting until May 25th for the Season 6 boxed set. And trust me, when you finish Season 5, you're going to be eagerly awaiting Season 6.

    BTW, I thought that (as a whole) Season 4 was fairly weak. The whole Adam arc lost its steam about midway through, and felt forced by the end. The finale of that season sort of makes up for it, in a Twin Peaks-esque way. It has some excellent episodes (Hush, in particular), but from an overall standpoint it's lacking. Still, bad Buffy is better than a lot of things on TV. :D
     

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