After a couple decades - looks like TiVo is done for me

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bradleys, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. blacknoi

    blacknoi Active Member

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    Not to get too off subject, but do tell more? Tivo is removing Plex?

    I use plex on my 2 TE3 bolts all the time (they certainly transcode content more often than my AppleTV which plays almost everything natively) and am generally happy with it.

    and looking on Tivo.com and searching this forum, I could only find your reference above to Plex getting the axe.
     
  2. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Plex has announced that they are retiring all legacy Plex apps and that includes the TiVo app. The TiVo app has not been updated since it first landed on TiVo several years ago. (TiVo historically is the only device I use to access Plex and I received this notification last week). There was another list I saw that included TiVo as a legacy app out of support.

    Will TiVo get an updated app? It could, I suppose, but I doubt it is coming anytime soon.

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  3. blacknoi

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    Aww man, well thanks.

    We could probably speculate that Hulu may not be long for this world either as its running a very old version (that doesn't even support profiles). But hulu isn't plex, I get.
     
  4. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Interestingly enough, when David Shoop was at TiVo and interacting on this forum and Facebook, they were talking about tighter integration with Plex.

    They were also talking about expanded Google Home and Alexa skills and other devices and features - all of which seem to have been shelved.

    All around the same time TiVo was acquired by Xperi.
     
  5. Bigg

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    Internet is cutting the cord, since you don't have pay TV, but getting pay TV through YouTube TV is replacing the cord, but cutting it.

    Logitech Harmony or other universal remote will do the trick.

    I've looked at Sling, but $30/mo for a couple of news channels is just too much, especially when I get most of my content through Netflix for $17/mo or other various mostly free sources, and I have a few niche subscriptions that are a total of about $60/year for model railroading.

    The OTT apps on TiVo are dreadful. I watch a lot of PBS shows and a little SNL, 60 Minutes, etc, so having my $199 refurb Roamio OTA with Lifetime that I probably spent $130 adding a 3TB drive to is well worth it.
     
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  6. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    The ATV remote turns off my tv in less than 2 seconds. Sleep option pops up in 1.15 seconds after long pressing HOme button. And then click touchpad. IT's like holding a quarter note on one key and then tapping an 1/8th note on another.

    my wife didn't like the atv remote either. That's what you get for giving her a choice. lol. A person will pick whatever they are most familiar with.

    Wife though has come around. I no longer hear angry words from downstairs. And she has figured out and learned how to use it and do little shortcuts like tap the touchpad to bring up the timeline and tap again to see the actual current time (say 7:13 pm) and end time of the show (like 8:05pm) in the timeline ...at least in Netflix. She really likes that feature for some reason. Baby steps.
     
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  7. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Yeah, i figured out how to turn the tv off this morning, long press + button press. Still annoying, but better than having to reach for a second remote.

    I ordered a second TS4K last night. If you would like a good deal on a week only ATV, let me know.
     
  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I have an old Premiere in my media room. Maybe I will set it up for OTA just for giggles.
     
  9. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    how much? my last one was an Amazon warehouse deal for $100 + tax.
     
  10. Resist

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    Yet, I still have the cord to cable. The whole cutting the cord thing should be known as cutting the TV cable cord.
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I am not going to get wrapped around the axel on semantics. People have been calling the elimination of linear cable and pots phone “cutting the cord” for quite a while now. I don’t think I know anybody that has truly “cut then cord” to mean eliminate broad band internet as well.

    I am sure it happens, but not with adults that need to be able to function in the real world and work from home...

    Call it what you will - I have two girls in college, it saves me $150 a month, TiVo is becoming less and less relevant and for those reasons, I begrudgingly made the change
     
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  12. Bigg

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    OTA is great. The feeling of free TV, even if it's only an occasional show here or there.

    Cord Cutting 1.0 - Getting rid of POTS. Saves money since you have to pay cell phone bill either way.

    Cord Cutting 2.0 - Getting rid of all MVPDs and vMVPDs. Saves money since you have to pay Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc, either way.

    Cord Cutting 3.0 - Using some sort of as-yet-to-exist-in-most-places wireless internet. Doesn't necessarily save money since you still have to pay for internet.

    You guys are off on different incorrect definitions of cord cutting. YouTube TV is replacing the cord, not cutting it. Competition of some sort is great, but it's not cord cutting, it's just a shinier, newer, and cheaper version of the cord.
     
  13. Wil

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    Here is something that people who can pretty much get anything they want but like spontaneity actually do with their Tivos on OTA-only.

    They set up passes for their family areas of interest: e.g. Westerns, SciFi, Mystery, favorite directors or actors, etc. With OTA channels like Comet, Grit, etc. they immediately start accumulating lots of movies/shows but the quality of the prints is not great. At viewing time, they browse recent additions or upcomings the TiVo OTA has selected, choose one that strikes their fancy at the moment, then transfer a good copy from their old Tivo home library (accumulated with an unlocked TiVo series 3 or s3 model HD when they had Cable) or via other means.

    It's a little silly (why not just pick from a letterboxd.com list or something?) and obviously no one here would do anything so disrespectful of DMCA, but again they say it's the spontenaity of it all, and I'm just reporting a minor cultural phenomenon that tickles me.
     
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  14. mdavej

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    You are the only one on the planet who has a strictly literal definition of cord cutting. Since the beginning of cord cutting, it's meant cancelling cable TV. It has never meant literally cutting the cord. Yes, replacing that with a streaming version of the same content technically uses the same "cord". But doing so dumps all the bogus extra fees that come with cable, which is the whole point.

    Let's imagine you get your internet via cellular or satellite then subscribe to Youtube TV. By your definition, have you cut the cord or not? There's no cord, but you're still paying for cable channels.
     
  15. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    My cable bill just kept going up and up and up... I would have to check, but my finger in the air calculation feels like a $50 jump over the last 3 years?

    I talked with fios and they said they would drop my rate, but I would have to get rid of the cable cards and go with their rented DVR. Like that was going to save me money?

    The whole cable business model is self destructive in my mind - it almost seems intentional. I am smart with my budget and tend to be frugal, but I am definitely blessed with two well above average wage earners in my home.

    When a guy like me decides that it doesn’t make financial sense to keep cable - who the hell is their market?
     
  16. mdavej

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    It is intentional, and a few CEOs have admitted as much. Every time AT&T/DirecTV raises prices, they justify it by saying they want to shed all their value conscious customers in favor of big spenders. Apparently there are enough people who never think about what they're paying and just keep cable because they've always had cable to make that sort of model sustainable, or so the cable companies think. But I think it's eventually going to collapse. It's been trending that way for a long time. When you lose a million subs per quarter, in a few years you end up with zero subs.

    I make a decent wage too. But I simply don't value TV enough to pay $200/month, when I can get exactly the same content for $65 from a streaming provider. Then again, I've always been the type to only buy what I need rather than getting the top package with all the premium add-ons just because it's there. I know a lot of people with that mentality as well, who just get everything without stopping to think if they'll ever watch even a fraction of what they subscribe to.
     
  17. Joe3

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    Perhaps arriving too late, buyers remorse is beginning to set in for cord cutters. It wasn't the delivery system that was the problem. Look at ESPN forcing everyone to pay for their channels and the rising cost of our bills directly traced to their constant demands for more money. Look at Viacom, the swill peddling, empty channel stuffing music video killer. It is the content providers who insist on squeezing the last penny out of a stone that's the problem. They are the only ones who are benefiting from this "new shiny" The content producers who can ask for any price for any kind of content irregardless of the quality of the content they produce or recycle. This bubble will burst sooner than later and when it does the pieces will fall. There is no consumer protection. Our politicians are the most ignorant in the history of this country. And those who aren't ignorant are legally excepting payoffs from the very powerful media industry that is screwing us. The cost will be that Humpty Dumpty once he falls and pieces of this industry are strewn across the floor, no amount of kings men will never be able to put them back together again. Another thing lost forever by a generation who was giving all it needed but failed to keep it
     
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  18. Wil

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    Breaking the law is a horrible thing to even contemplate and I have a history of being a prig on this kind of activity. But there is some attractiveness to the idea of kinda opting out, standing on the sidelines during this horrible transition mess and ... well ... doing what presents itself to watch TV while this sorts itself out.
     
  19. Pokemon_Dad

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    You got that right. As I've posted here before, in my house we're stuck with cable just so we can get a few news/talk channels, because we wouldn't save much if anything if we switched to an OTT provider package that includes those channels. What this situation needs is a nice dose of antitrust.
     
  20. Joe3

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    I wouldn't advise breaking the law because because others are allowed to ethically, spiritually Break a sacred trust. The first thing they are going to do when they fail and they will fail at stealing from us is misdirection. Once The investors find out that there investments are not bringing back the easy cash that they were told it would, you and others like you will be the first thing they go after. They will then blame all their investment failures, not because of their unethical stupid behavior, but because a few desperate people have reverted to this illegal activity and therefore " mr. politician," who's on the take, you have to enforce the laws against these people, no no Mr. politician, you can't blame me you can't blame me at all.
     
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