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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Carsten, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. MScottC

    MScottC Well-Known Member

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    Do you have a problem with atheists?
    I happen to believe in god... TiVo is GOD. TiVo gives me some control of my life <G>. The other myths give me nothing.
     
  2. HORUS

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    Where did I say everybody was a Kool aid drinker, but thanks for identifying yourself and making a case in point. I'm not asking you to agree with me. I do believe that responses like this and witnessed in other threads are unhealthy to an open dialogue. Your reaction by making it personal it illustrates I struck a nerve. I'm not your buddy pal!
     
  3. TexasAg

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    Sure, Horus. It was GoHokies that made this personal. You didn't by coming here and broadly smearing anyone who defends Tivo as a Kool-Aid drinker. GoHokies' post simply said you over-generalized. You then jumped all over him and accused him personally of being one (which is strange since I've re-read his posts here and he doesn't seem to admit he is one or meet your personal definition of what one is).

    You're the one who seemed to take it personally, buddy! :rolleyes:
     
  4. HORUS

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    I'm all for a discussion and I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong quite often maybe even in picking this thread to bring up my observation. There have been better examples in other threads that would better illustrate my thought. I may be off base but I bet there are others that see the pattern as I have brought up.

    You however, seem to give credence to my original point by chiming in and backing up your bully friend by not calming stating an opinion but by making it personal. You loose your power of persuasion and convice me I'm right by closing on your personal note. It's thugs and bullys in life that prevent a lot of good ideas to surface and I for one won't stand for it. Thanks for your thoughts too buddy!
     
  5. TexasAg

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    Ahh, this would be another example of your calm rational opinion, not making it personal. Right?

    How exactly can I tighten my power of persuasion if it's loose?
     
  6. GoHokies!

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    You really should have just stopped there, it would have been more correct.

    TexasAg isn't my "bully friend", I don't even know the guy. Amazingly enough, we're all different people here with different opinions. I've been accused of being a Kool-Aid drinker many time here and I'm probably the closest thing that you'll find, but that doesn't mean that I won't take Tivo to task when they do something that is their fault. (most people base that off of reading more than one of my posts, however). :rolleyes:

    So what is it that you're not going to stand for around here? My "loose power of persuasion"? (I'll have to tighten it up, thanks for the reminder) I certainly haven't made any posts that have prevented others from posting their good ideas, but please keep smearing me with whatever brush you desire. You've made it pretty clear from your posts that your perspective on the membership here is skewed (at best) to meet your personal agenda. In fact, I would like to think that my posts do the opposite, when I express agreement with posters and thank them for their perspective (kind of like the other half of my post that you quoted and then convienently ignored since it doesn't fit your skewed view of this community).

    PS: You're right - you're not my buddy, and I don't care for you to be. I suggest that you go look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.
     
  7. HORUS

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    Oh boy, you both raise your hydra heads and attack my spelling, please don't make me laugh. You do a great job painting your own portrait without any outside help in reference to your brush analogy. Oh and by the way do you ever stop being mean & stupid at the same time? lol My opinion isn't skewed towards the group just ignorant fools like yourself. I never considered myself as having an agenda but I guess debunking ignorance could be listed as number 1, thanks for the good idea. Need I explain to you that "buddy" is what started this whole thing, I see you have already realized yourself that the word gullible isn't listed in the dictionary.
     
  8. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

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    OK, that's enough with the personal attacks. I'm not going to engage any further. Feel free to come back when you have something to add to the discussion.


    Reported to mods, lets just lock this thing with apologies to the OP.
     
  9. MichaelK

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    that's one of their attempted revenue streams - yes.

    Still with all they try they aren't exacatly making money. So They'll keep trying more untill they either find a sweet spot or cease to exist as a stand along going concern.


    (although I think some have posted that if they stopped trying to get more subs they could break even on the current user base- untill it depleted itself by attition?)
     
  10. GoHokies!

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    That marketing is such a tough nut to crack - what really makes a Tivo a Tivo can't be distilled down into a print ad or a 30 second television spot. I think that enticements such as the 90 day you'll love it or your money back would probably do more than the current advertising... (Didn't you start that thread?)
     
  11. MichaelK

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    nah- can't take credit for that idea. I think it is a wise one though. I'd tweak it a bit
     
  12. HORUS

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    Apology accepted if that was in fact an apology and I apologize also if I jumped the gun. I don't understand what is meant by reported to mods & OP.

    Do me a favor and next time attack my posting without attacking me. That was my whole point and why I became so defensive. I'm a Boilermaker by the way so let's fight about that in the future. Go Boilers!
     
  13. rdrrepair

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    From live tv hit your TiVo button and then hit 4. Click right and then type in TELEWORLD and then click on it - use the SEARCH FOR UPCOMING EPISODES and then delete each one. These are secret recordings, you will not see a check mark next to it. This will get rid of a lot of crap. I recommend you do this if you have your network hooked up to your TiVo.

    Keep in mind that some of the updates are sent to you via TELEWORLD - you will still get the updates, but it will take longer.

    I delete TELEWORLD from all of my DVR's but one. It does help on the amount of junk sent to my TiVo...
     
  14. ingenue007

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    i just tried this. nothing comes up for teleworld so i can't search upcoming episodes.
     
  15. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

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    Personal recommendation is one of the best way to sell TiVo, only one of my friends bought one on their own (before I did in 2001). I must have put more then 30 TiVos in my friends homes, some thought I was the Fuller Brush Man. After the wives got hold of the TiVo most got another and would never give it up. Some still thank me today for introducing them to the product. Most people who don't have a TiVo do not understand it, or what it can do, or how easily it can do the job.(They remember how easy the computer was suppose to be), An infomercial may be another way to sell TiVo except I hate those. Another way, QVC type of thing (I hate that also but it works).

    The HD thing may screw TiVo up as more people get HDTVs and can get the Cable Co.s DVR for about $10/month with unlimited warranty and upgrades.
     
  16. GoHokies!

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    Even if you do, I think that the yellow star is still there, there just isn't any video to go with it. (I haven't tried it, so I can't state for certain).
     
  17. Joegold

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    You know what I never understood, how is the cable companies DVR not patent infringement like Echostars DVR?
     
  18. MichaelK

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    1) tivo didn't just sue echostar over the ability to record to a hard drive. The case is based upon a specific way of doing that- essentially tivo patented a system where all the data doesn't have to run through the CPU, so that a much "wimpier" box can handle the deal (as evidenced by the measly ram in tivo's as an example).

    2) We dont know that the cable company's DVR's aren't also infringing on that same patent. Tivo is a small compnay compared to the others, they dont have the resources to sue everyone today, they have to do one at a time. Also there's so politics involved- would it make sense for tivo to sue comcast and cox now that they have deals? Would it make sense to have sue them when they were negotiating those deals years ago? Beyond that it is sometimes easier to settle things once you have the first guy all beaten down in court. If Tivo can get a clear and final verdict that Echostart violated the patent and pays Tivo hundreds of Millions then when tivo knocks on the door of the other DVR makers they are more apt to listen to tivo's demands for a settlement.

    So it might be something specific to echostars implementation.

    And just becasue tivo hasn't sued others yet doesn't mean they wont one day. (search the net for info on gemstar- they pretty much sued or settled anyone who makes a "grid" electronic program guide. But they didn't sue or settle all at once, they went from victem to victem over years time.

    (not sure what this has to do with ads anyway....)
     
  19. MichaelK

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    and the 3 page chart with foot notes you have to break out to explain the monthly fee options now-a-days doesn't help that word of mouth selling either....

    I know I stopped- I am willing to spend 30 minutes explaining tivo, or write a 4 page email about it's virtues. But another 10 minutes or 2 pages to cover the pricing plans is just too much effort for me now. I dont bother anymore. I sold r gave as gifts about 18 units in my day, i dont anymore becasue it's now too much effort.

    It's easy to be exicited to talk about how cool the thing is and answer the upteen questions involved with that, not so easy to be exicited about talking about pricing and answereing those 20 questions...
     
  20. Joegold

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    I brought it up because of the fact that TiVo is losing market share to the cable companies for an idea that they came up with and have look for other revenue streams like advertising to compete.
     

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