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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Carsten, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. Carsten

    Carsten New Member

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    When I press the TiVo button on the remote I get various ******** on the lower to menu items. Like recently some Oscar crap and now some "got attention deff... disorder....".

    Why do I need to pay so much money monthly just for TV Guide and still get advertisements? I noticed alot that the Tv Guide is WRONG. On MTV it says Two-A-Days and when I go to the station its Sweet 16 or something like that.

    For 12$/m I shouldnt get **** ups like this and shouldnt need to get advertismtnets!
     
  2. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

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    Just ignore them.
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It would cost more per month if they didn't have any ads. I never notice any. Nothing is pushed on me. I don't have to view it if i don't want to.
     
  4. SullyND

    SullyND L: 31-14 (10-2) TCF Club

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    Simple. You aren't paying "just for TV Guide".
     
  5. AFP1

    AFP1 AFP1

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    If a few "Self Selectable/Ignorable" Words/Ads on the bottom of your "Tivo Selection Screen" are the only Problems you ever have with the Service or the Unit, Consider yourself Extremely Lucky! There are far many real problems you could have to Rocket your Blood Pressure through the Ceiling than the few Ads, (Some are beneficial!) on the Selection Screen. *Many times I see Tips!
    *But Read the "Problems" areas here! You will then see a couple of Ads are not worth getting all upset about!
    *Also, How much do you Pay for Cable/Satelite Service each Month? I Pay about 5 Times more, and get a Hell of a Lot of Commercials on Every Channel!
    You are also getting a bit more than just a TV Guide for your $12 a Month. How much did you Pay for your Unit? (*After Rebate if any?) I Paid Nothing for 1 of mine! At times they give them away just to get Subscribers to their Service!
    And you cannot blame a TV Guide just because MTV changed their Lineup. I have never had that problem with Regular Stations, other than if a Football Game or Auto Race was on just before what I Programmed. But your Unit does not know when it has ended.
    I am sure Tivo would not mind taking all Commercials off, *IF they could raise their Pricing to make up the difference. But none of us want that, *Right?
    I also remember the Days Cable TV had No Commercials! But that's Business!! *And Life!
     
  6. hddude55

    hddude55 New Member

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    How dare you come here and speak ill of TIVO? You must be an atheist.
     
  7. Joegold

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    TiVo has yet to make a profit. The $12 the charge you is not them ripping you off. They are trying to offer a fair price and stay in business. If this means a hardly noticeable menu item ad then so be it. Your not being forced to watch the ad its just there if you wanna watch. Plus I kind of like TiVo advertising strategy. Let say they are advertising for a TV show you wanna watch, there will usually be an option to press the thumbs up button that will tell the TiVo to record the show. This can come in handy when enough people start advertising through them.

    At the end of the day the advertisers are paying TiVo for features that would cost us more money so I welcome advertising on my TiVo as long as it doesn't get in my way.
     
  8. SystemJinx

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    I don't like the ads either, but I've gotten used to them. At least they are grouped at the bottom of the screen and are less intrusive.
     
  9. mooneydriver

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    In my opinion, the ad revenue is not that strategic to TiVo. Another perspective is that TiVo is able to stay in business by kissing up to the advertisers and media companies, i.e., by agreeing to include advertising in menus and by disabling 30-sec skip by default. Arguably, ReplayTV had superior technology to TiVo (they had automatic commercial skip, show transfer between multiple DVRs and computers, and network transfer of shows since around 2000 or so). However, these anti-advertising and anti-DRM features made ReplayTV a ripe target for attacks by the advertising and broadcast industries, resulting in the eventual demise of the company. TiVo learned a valuable lesson from the ReplayTV disaster.

    Sadly, I reached the conclusion that a few discreet ads on screen are a fair price to pay for continued innovation from the single remaining non-proprietary DVR company (as long as such concessions continue to convince the media companies to unleash their hostility elsewhere).
     
  10. Carsten

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    Not an atheist! I love the Tivo just dont know why I'm forced to pay 12$/m and get ads. Yes they are kept to a minimum but still dont want them.

    @AFP1

    I paid the 840$ for my S3 from the Tivo Community store. I have no problem paying the price. I actually dont mind paying the 12$/m either if its just for the TV Guide/Updates/Online Scheduling. But I shouldnt be forced upon ads. Now If I would be "leasing" the unit, and pay on a monthly basis 12$ then I wouldnt care about ads; but I BOUGHT the unit!

    Also keep in mind that "other" companies stay alive even without ads. Imagine if you bought a Sony TV for 3200$ and you still had to pay Sony 10$/m just for them to make profit....

    Also my blood pressure isnt going up about the issue. Its just my "opinion" that its unnesscary.

    Thanks
     
  11. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

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    Just ignore them.
     
  12. Joegold

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    Would you be willing to pay extra so you wont get ads? Because as it is right now the ad revenue is part of TiVo's pricing structure. Maybe if people were willing to pay $20-$30 a month to avoid getting ads they would have that option available. However I know I'm not going to pay that much just so the empty space at the bottom of my menu's remains empty and I doubt many other people will. TiVo is competing with cable companies who offer there their boxes for significantly less, almost free. They make back the cost of the boxes by charging people upwards of $70 a month for service. Advertising seems like the only way they can somewhat compete on prices.
     
  13. bifsiff94

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    the reason why I dumped my comcast DVR, well really, the straw that broke the camel's back, was that they started placing ads at the bottom of the channel guilde.

    These ads took up about 25% of the screen, and they changed every time you paged up or down, and if you tried to scroll up or down, you would land on the add, since they were selectable. To make it even worse, the resolution on the ads was extremely low, like someone made a small icon and then blew it up to fit the screen.

    If you don't appreciate your Tivo, I suggest you try using one of these boxes for 5 minutes, and you will never, ever, ever, complain about your Tivo again.
     
  14. Joegold

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    Personally I don't think advertising is bad if its done right. You need to remember that with out advertising the end user would have to bear the entire cost of producing a product. Imagine having to pay $1.99 for every show you watch on TV or having to pay a fee for every website you visit.
     
  15. GoHokies!

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    What "other companies" are you talking about that make these magical mythical DVRs that do everything that a Tivo does and doesn't have ads?

    I didn't think so.

    I really have no idea exactly how much money Tivo brings in from their ads - whether it's "strategic" like one poster mentioned (as opposed to "tactical" or "operational"?) or not, it's money that would have to be replaced with increased service fees if it didn't exist.

    Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing a few more of these and see Tivo make a profit someday! It really isn't anything to get worked up over about, it isn't like they're distracting or preventing something else from being displayed on the screen...
     
  16. HORUS

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    This community would make a great groupthink case study. When somebody brings up a criticism of TIVO, the Kool-Aid drinkers come in a tell their peers that what they perceive as a defect or negative isn't really a negative at all.

    Sometimes good points are brought up and other times I sit back and think that the counter arguments are biased. I think Carsten brought up a valid concern albeit one that doesn't currently bother me about advertisements. Although the few I see so far don't bother me, I'd be pissed if it increased or became more ensnarling. For heaven's sake, we can't drop $20 bucks and go to the movies now without being bombarded with at least five minutes of unsolicited advertising during the previews, more if you arrive early. Five years ago you never noticed any commercials except for the ones that ran while you waited for the movie to begin. In our age of commercialism, I think that the Kool Aid drinkers may want to give pause and think about the implications of defending advertisings. TIVO has proven responsible thus far in my opinion with their choices & may TIVO always maintain that small business feel and be trustworthy with their advertising choices so as not to ruin the viewing experience.

    A final point and I'll get off my soap box. Does TIVO profit at all from our viewing habits? Everybody seems concerned about TIVO turning a profit. I'd rather TIVO sold an aggregate of our viewing habits than force upon me unsolicited corporate propaganda. Just my two cents.
     
  17. aaronwt

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    What ads are forced upon us? The only ads I see are the ones I decide to view. I've never had an ad in TiVo forced upon me.
     
  18. Joegold

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    I'm no kool-aid drinker. From what I read there are valid reasons to be upset about purchasing a TiVo, a series 3 especially with all the bugs that are just now getting worked out and what not. TiVo's advertising strategy is not, in my opinion, a valid reason. It's there if you want to watch it and no one is forcing you to watch them. Not all advertising is evil. For example google provides a very useful product for free (Gmail) by using very unobtrusive advertising. TiVo has managed to cut some cost to the end user by doing the same thing. I am not a kool aid drinker I think TiVo has real problems it needs to fix like TiVoToGo, MRV, & SDV (If SDV makes me lose channels Ill sell my TiVo in a heart beat). If enough people feel strongly about not having advertising then TiVo should make a tier where you pay more for no advertising but I sure as hell don't want to pay more because some people don't like having an extra menu on their TiVo central screen. This isn't the good old days when things only cost a nickel. Movies, TV, and new technology costs millions to make TiVo is doing what it can to not pass on all that expense to us. Again this isn't the pop up ads you get on your computer, this is completely up to the user if any TIME is wasted/used watching the ad. That's what makes advertising annoying, when it wastes our time. TiVo has left the decision to us and I think its brilliant marketing (only people that have an interest will watch). The alternative is for everyone to sit through 2 minutes of commercials (that may or may not interest you) for every 5 minutes of show.
     
  19. Joegold

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    I just wanted to add that I pay about $70 dollars a month on cable TV. This does not give me ad free television even though I am paying a service fee. The one channel I do get without ads is HBO. 11 HBO channels cost me about $11. I get about 250 channels so If I had to pay for TV without advertising it would cost me about $250. Advertising is necessary as most people will not be willing to spend this much for television. Same goes for TiVo, if they had to charge $30-$40 a month to cover their development costs they would have no customers. Its a trade off folks, somethings gotta give. TiVo created this market. Its easy for others to profit off of it with their own versions even by charging less because TiVo already spent the millions needed for research and development. Advertising is one of the things they have to do to keep their prices competitive.
     
  20. GoHokies!

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    That's a really great point there, Joe...

    HORUS, I don't think that your characterizations of all of us as "a bunch of kool aid drinkers" is anything remotely close to accurate or fair. There's a wide variety of differing opinions here, leading to an entertaining (and vigorous at times) debate over, well... just about anything Tivo related (and some things not, like the Costco return policy threads that spring up about once a month). But great job of a sweeping generalization there, buddy. :rolleyes:
     

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