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Adding mini to roamio with Frontier fios triple play

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Ismelllikepoop, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Not exactly the same thing, since often the problem with MoCA is the coax and the connecting components between the MoCA nodes. The above test attempts to simplify the connection, in order to verify basic MoCA functionality of the gateway, primarily, but also to demo a successful Mini MoCA connection. If the simple test above doesn't work for connecting a Mini, the MoCA LAN functionality of the gateway is suspect.

    Speaking of the gateway, I haven't seen that MEB1100 before, but found a great description from @fcfc2 over on another of his haunts, the DSLReports forums, here:

    Regarding the MoCA WAN issue, the latest Fios Router Arris NVG468MQ comes with a separate MoCA adapter, the Arris MEB1100, which appears to be used exclusively to convert the ONT coax MoCA WAN to the router's Ethernet WAN port on the router. But if that is the case, there is absolutely no reason that Arris MEB1100 could not be used with any brand of router. What possible speed tiers it would support is unknown but it appears that there is a current MoCA WAN adapter out there.

    I did a quick google search on the Arris MEB1100 but I couldn't find any decent information or specs to see which MoCA standard it supports or much of anything.

    Absent any additional documentation, though, I'm a bit baffled as to the purpose of the USB cable between the MEB1100 and the Arris 468.

    Your diagram looks OK, otherwise, aside from the Minis and their associated coax connections being missing. Also, I'm curious as to the specs of the splitters in use; can you provide model numbers for the splitters?
     
  2. krkaufman

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    Now that I understand the MEB1100's purpose, please exclude it from my above directive to power down other MoCA devices during testing.


    FYI... When using the TiVo Bridge MoCA adapter to supply the Roamio with a network connection, the Roamio will be connected to the adapter via Ethernet, and so the Roamio would be configured for an Ethernet network connection.

    The 4-tuner Roamios won't have any MoCA options in the Network Settings dialog because they lack any MoCA functionality, and are only capable of Ethernet or Wi-Fi. Which is why a MoCA adapter is needed when Ethernet is not available.
     
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    Here are a couple additional tests to verify the TiVo Bridge functionality (with the previous test labeled "test 1a")...

    test 1a.png test 1b.png test 2.png
    Tests 1a & 1b test both the MoCA LAN functionality of the gateway and the connected MoCA client device (Mini in 1a, TiVo Bridge in 1b), while Test 2 is intended as a simple test of the TiVo Bridge's MoCA functionality without requiring any splitting of the coax.

    edit: p.s. The above test scenarios fail to show the necessary MEB1100 connections, which must be maintained to ensure Internet connectivity to the router.
     
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  5. fcfc2

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    The USB port on the MEB1100 is how it is powered. A common connection nearby the Arris 468 and appears to be designed to use it's USB to power it.
     
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  6. krkaufman

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    Your diagram generally looks OK, so the issue would seem to be internal to the Arris 468 (which the above tests will hopefully confirm or negate) or on the coax between the 468 and your device locations.

    Here's an updated diagram depicting my current understanding of your targeted setup, including the MEB1100 and the main eero base station per your diagram.

    ISmellLikePoop eg2.png
    Out of curiosity, if/when you have MoCA functioning properly (fingers crossed), do you plan on locating an eero client (beacon) device at the Roamio location to provide wireless coverage? (Rather than *needing* the eero device, as you do presently, as a wireless bridge to provide the Roamio with a reliable wireless connection.) edit: Oh, also, what eero devices do you have to work with, an eero and multiple beacons, or multiple eero gateways?
     
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  7. Craig Barnes

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  8. krkaufman

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    ???
     
  9. Craig Barnes

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    This question is about a new setup........................Please I'm sorry if this has been covered, but I can't seem to find it.
    I am setting up a new construction home as follows:
    Fios in bound....... at the point inside the house P.O.E. filter then to a 2 way splitter...........one side to 8way MoCA splitter the other to TIVO BRIDGE. FROM THE BRIDGE TO SPITTER one out to Fios router/modem the rest to cable to rooms......................sorry I'm going to take a picture I continue to get dropped v87 at all the minis after 10-20 mins of viewing then reset. The roamio plus works fine all the time.........the system is setup as client MoCA.........just seems to be weak signal all the time
    I will get back after I look at the picture to refresh my mind on the setup that I have changed at least 10 times.
    Unless someone has the right way to set this up.......................modem has only the one coax in or out IMG_20171208_101346.jpg
     
  10. krkaufman

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    (nothing wrong with starting a new thread for a new problem)
     
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    That looks like a MI424-WR, so it should be establishing your MoCA LAN -- so the TiVo Bridge shouldn't be needed.

    edit: p.s. That is, depending on how the TiVo Bridge is being connected, and for what purpose it's intended. It just shouldn't be needed for establishing the MoCA network.
     
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  12. krkaufman

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    This doesn't make sense given the TiVo Bridge has a single coax port.

    And, yeah, a picture (and/or a diagram) would be helpful.

    You may also want to check/report the MoCA stats for your Minis. (see the Network Status screen)
     
  13. Craig Barnes

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    I am not at home...so I can't speak to my setup, but I had a Moca setup working but it would NOT stay connected to the network/signal.
    I have reached out to Tivo support nearly 20 times and they try but can't seem to get it right for me.............I will try tomorrow to take some shots of the setup I have and post tomorrow.
    Everything works for a while then states lost signal and sort of resets it self then you go back into your show................
    I do have the means to hard wire each Mini to LAN don't know if that is a better way to work around.
    I know Roamio plus has built in MoCA but they Tivo said to go with Bridge............once you see my mess of wires you might understand why am having so much trouble.
    I guess my problem is that I think that the MoCA is/needs interent and I don't understand how it gets there with one coax to modem.
    Should I move the P.O.E. to outside where the cable comes in.
    It's all in a cabinet downstairs in a closet..........then I have to feed out the cable to all the rooms .............it's just a mess
     
  14. fcfc2

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    From what I can glean of your description, it sounds like you don't need to have that initial 2 way at all and neither should you need to have the Tivo MoCA adapter. The POE is ok, but ideally, it would be placed on the input of the 8 way splitter, this would save a few dB being wasted on the initial 2 way.
    You do not have a traditional "modem" with Fios, that ONT, Optical Network Terminal, that the coax, Ethernet and phone lines come from serves the function of the cable modem. The Fios router is only a router with MoCA capability which includes MoCA WAN, your internet, and MoCA LAN for your local network which is why the Tivo bridge/MoCA adapter is not needed.
    If you are not using all of the coax runs, i.e., all 8, can you get by with 4 or 6, if so swapping your main splitter for one with less ports will also get you a stronger signal.
    If using a MoCA filter and all of your connections go through that 8 way the input of that splitter is the best location for the filter.
     
  15. DVR_Dave

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    FiOS doesn't need a P.O.E. filter and my installer said to remove it (had Comcast previously).
     
  16. Craig Barnes

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    This is a link to my current setup. I will try and add photos as well

     
  17. Craig Barnes

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    spliter.jpg box.jpg plan.jpg switch.jpg Bridge.jpg

    So this is some pictures of my setup................I guess I really need to know what is the right way to set this up................ P.O.E. (yes/No), Bridge (Yes/No), Splitter (Yes/No)
    I can reconfigure my tivo box back too MoCA and re do the setup...............but the way it goes together is where I'm having the problem.
     
  18. krkaufman

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    It would probably be worthwhile to stand back and take a picture that encompasses the whole setup. Maybe from a few angles, straight-on, left and right 45 degree-ish.
     
  19. Craig Barnes

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    Yea.......................looks like a mess. The video is pretty straight forward:
    Cable in
    P.O.E. filter
    2 way splitter
    1 cable to 8 port splitter
    other to Tivo bridge
    From splitter one out bound cable to Fios modem/router
    the other cables to different parts of the house.
    I'll try late today if I can get by the house...............Thanks
     
  20. BrandonS

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    Good evening! Did the OP ever get the Mini's to connect via MoCa with the Arris NVG468MQ? I am having trouble with this as well. My Mini's were all working perfectly with the Verizon G1100 router but it died and Frontier replaced it with the Arris router (Mini's haven't been able to establish a MoCa connection since then). Thanks for any input!
     

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