A/V Breakout Cable

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  1. Feb 14, 2015 #81 of 102
    philt56

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    I had to buy the av cables since I bought the mini to use the P&P on my Sony TV (replacing a HD tivo). You can't use hdmi input for both of the P&P windows. It only allows a hdmi and an analog input to be used.
     
  2. Apr 5, 2015 #82 of 102
    abeln2672

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    You, sir, are a GENIUS! :up: I have both a Mini and a Roamio, and I need to use the analog breakout port on both (Mini --> old Slingbox, Roamio --> receiver for Zone 2 analog audio). I bought the cheap(er) WD breakout cables on eBay, but just kept getting horrible buzzing from both devices. Was about to break down and buy the Tivo branded cables, but decided to Google the problem first. Found this thread, saw your post, swapped white for yellow, and things are working perfectly on both devices! The cynical side of me would say Tivo intentionally swapped lines/colors so people would buy their breakout cable, but my real guess is they either used proprietary tech or screwed up production of the 3.5mm ports like you said. Either way, it's working...so THANKS AGAIN!
     
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  3. Apr 11, 2015 #83 of 102
    krkaufman

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    This hasn't been my experience. I've installed around 8 Mini v2 units, both purchased direct from TiVo and picked-up at Best Buy, and they've all included an HDMI cable.
     
  4. Aug 8, 2015 #84 of 102
    thefisch

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    So I am considering adding a mini to my setup for my bedroom which has an older TV with no hdmi. My preference is to connect the mini via the composite for now. An upgraded TV may come later but let's put that aside for now.

    I took the mini from another room that was working fine using hdmi and set it up in the bedroom to test out moca, etc. I did not purchase the TIVO AV breakout cable yet (or an alternative like the less expensive WD TV Live cable mentioned in this thread) as I already have two AV breakout cables for camcorders (one Sony and one Canon) that I wanted to try. I tested these breakout cables with the HD camcorder on the bedroom TV beforehand and had no issues with video or audio quality. It looks pretty good for an old TV.

    Now the mini worked great in the bedroom after connecting it via moca – no issues with playing shows, navigating, surfing live TV, etc. so that’s the good news. The bad news is that both the camcorder breakout cables didn’t work so well. First, the wiring was a little off. With the camcorder, it is the standard yellow for video and white and red for audio. However, when connected to the mini the video was coming out the white cable with audio coming from the yellow and red. No problem – just swap the white and yellow connections and the video shows up looking good on the screen while paused. That is until I connect the yellow and red for audio. Then I get a buzzing like others have described here. And when I play the video or use the tivo remote and I get banding on the screen in the video that seems in sync with audio on the feed (even the remote blips). This second issue concerned me that there could be an issue with the mini mixing the feed.

    After reading this entire thread and this other one (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=502081), I think the issue is where the ground is on the camcorder cables I am trying to use. To make sure it wasn’t any of the other problems noted on here about interference, I removed the moca connection so only the AV cable and power were connected to the mini and TV. That didn’t make a difference so it must be the cables. So much for saving old cables to use again.

    I assume that when I get the right cable with the ground in the right place I will be fine. Can’t seem to find any alternatives at local stores to try before purchasing something online. If anyone thinks I should try another test to make sure it isn't the cable or something else, let me know.
     
  5. Aug 9, 2015 #85 of 102
    fcfc2

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  7. Aug 9, 2015 #87 of 102
    thefisch

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    Thanks for those suggestions. I was also looking at this one mentioned earlier for $2 although the reviews seem hit or miss and the ship time is much longer.

    Actually, after seeing this shorter cable on Amazon I recalled that I may have one of those short breakout cables with some old 7 inch lcd monitors from a cheap car dvd player for the kids. Sure enough I dug out the box and found it. A quick test with my multimeter confirmed the ground was closest to the sleeve which was not the case with the other breakout cables I tried. Just wired up it up and it works. It pays to save old cables - only about $2 but it pays.

    And now that we can use a mini in the bedroom I expect I will be shopping for a replacement TV come Black Friday. Looks like I need to invest that two bucks.
     
  8. Oct 6, 2015 #88 of 102
    peakay

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    Deleted - just bought breakout cables referenced above on ebay.
     
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  9. Nov 5, 2015 #89 of 102
    punklux

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    Are you running audio out of the HDMI and breakout cable for zone2 at the same time? I have a Roamio and a Sonos connect that I want to connect together.
     
  10. Feb 1, 2016 #90 of 102
    Oregon

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    Hey all just registered to reply to this thread which helped me solve my buzzing issue trying to use a standard 3.5mm audio wire with a mini.

    for the composite, I actually found an A/V breakout adapter in the closet. I believe it came with my Samsung TV (in the other room).

    So just for others that will inevitably read this thread, before you run and buy a break out cable, maybe you have one! (Looks like this)

    Anyway the way i use this mini, is A/V Breakout audio out to the LINE IN on my PC. Then use the HDMI out to my second LCD monitor which doubles as TV viewing while i'm gaming!

    Anyway, thanks for the thread guys.
     
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  11. Feb 2, 2016 #91 of 102
    unitron

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    Welcome to TCF.

    Make yourself at home, take your shoes off, set a spell. :D
     
  12. Feb 2, 2016 #92 of 102
    mmmm_beer

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    Not all the cables are equal. I tried a couple I had laying around and they just were not wired correctly. I ended up find a couple on Ebay that were labeled for the Roku an those worked perfectly and only cost about $2-3 a piece, well below what TiVo was asking for theirs.
     
  13. Feb 16, 2016 #93 of 102
    Drlink

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    I love you! I was ready to pull the trigger on $20-27 worth of cables to connect my TiVo Mini to my Panny plasma via Component/Composite when I saw your post.

    I found the Component and Composite A/V breakout adapters from a Samsung television I bought 2 years ago and they work perfectly.

    Kudos!
     
  14. Mar 2, 2016 #94 of 102
    bob3iii

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    I used the one that came with my LG 55" tv. One was for audio and composite video out and other was to provide the component video out. It worked perfectly providing the audio out to my Vizio sound bar.
     
  15. Mar 18, 2016 #95 of 102
    OhFiddle

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    Just hooked up a new mini to an old tv with only composite and s-video inputs. I found a couple of the proper cables in my basement that I had for some reason. I did have to switch the white and yellow plug connections to the tv like mentioned here. But I still had a horrible picture with interference, buzzing audio, and the screen would flicker with every button press on the remote. The other cable didn't work at all. After some fiddling I found out that if I don't plug the cable in all the way on the Tivo Mini, everything was fine. So maybe the "official" Tivo cable has not only the white and yellow cables switched, but also a slightly shorter plug that misses hitting something inside the box that causes issues.

    Picture is doable temporarily but the the HD menu layout is hard to read and I see no option to switch to SD menus like with older Tivos.:confused:

    In regards to the "why don't you just get a new tv" discussion. One issue is what to do with the old one. Here all the resale shops and electronics recycling services are so overrun with old tvs and monitors that they aren't taking them anymore. It is illegal (for good reason) to throw them away. Freecycle or free on Craigslist are already full of free working old tvs that are unwanted.

    Upgrading the tv is also not much of a priority when it is not your main tv, and not used much for shows you would really want to see in hd.

    Plus there are still people who don't really care much about HD. When I ask my mom why she isn't watching something in HD she says, "I honestly can't even tell the difference.":eek:
     
  16. Mar 18, 2016 #96 of 102
    mdavej

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    All of the above means you DIDN'T actually find the proper cable. The proper one is $3 on ebay. Why not just buy one?

    But I am glad somebody out there can make good use of old CRTs. Years ago when they were first being phased out, I picked up a nice 32" for $20. Got several years of use out of it, and a couple of hernias, and ultimately sold it to someone else for $25. I don't miss it one bit.
     
  17. Mar 18, 2016 #97 of 102
    thefisch

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    Yeah, sounds like the ground is not in the right place on the pin connection in addition to the yellow and white being in different places. Should be fine if you get the right cable.
     
  18. Mar 18, 2016 #98 of 102
    OhFiddle

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    Yup, after thinking about it last night, I went back and looked at it again. Not plugging it in all the way means I am not getting the right audio channel. Got out the multimeter and tested the two cables I tried. They are wired differently. The one that I thought sort of worked (not plugged in all the way) was:

    base of plug>red wire>shared ground>yellow wire>white wire>tip of plug

    considering I had swapped the white and yellow plugs on the back of the tv (left audio and video) that means the connections I think were actually:

    base of plug>right audio>shared ground>left audio>video>tip

    Then would the correctly wired plug actually be?

    base of plug>shared ground>right audio>left audio>video>tip


    So I guess I do need to get the other cable. It looks like this is the cable that others got that worked, correct?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-WD-Western-Digital-TV-Mini-Live-Plus-Media-Player-RCA-Composite-AV-Cable/371085459053?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35625%26meid%3D201add45ff7049d6aa002b51218bf168%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D370675838597
     
  19. Mar 18, 2016 #99 of 102
    mdavej

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    Correct
     
  20. Apr 6, 2016 #100 of 102
    Leon WIlkinson

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    So the reason I have Audio buzz with both of my 3.5mm cable connections is do to the lack of the Video input? ((((Edit)))) and or Ground location

    I have a wooted TV (sanyo) that has terrible audio so I use a sound bar, this was I known issue when bought, ok it was worse then I thought it might of been.:eek::eek::eek::eek: YES :eek:
     
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