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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by andrews777, Sep 4, 2013.
And it's just a matter of purchasing one. The install guide shows how to connect.
Well there's very, very few of you who aren't using HDMI, so it would be pretty stupid on TiVo's part to waste money on a cable that 99% of their customers aren't going to use anyway.
I use component on one Mini (which requires both the AV cable and a component cable) and I use an HDMI to DVI cable plus the AV cable for audio on another Mini. Only one of my Minis is connected to the monitor with HDMI.
That's highly unusual. Most people are using all HDMI at this point.
I thought about replacing the kitchen TV with something more modern. It only has DVI and component inputs. I use the component input with a DVD player, and the DVI/analog audio input with a TiVo Mini. This same set used to have a TiVo/DVD combo Series 2 connected to it.
I'm sure there are lots of people who have connected a Mini to an older, less-used TV in their house. Many people I know have CRT sets with only composite inputs in a back room.
The fact is, I probably won't replace this little TV (it is a 17-inch) until it breaks down. I can't find a new one of this size with front-facing stereo speakers. The Mini fits in the space between the stand and the actual monitor, so it uses zero room.
You are missing the point Bigg, if Tivo is going to provide a composite or component port with a non-standard proprietary port, they should provide the proprietary cable (or dongle) to actually USE the port. If they used standard ports it wouldn't be an issue.
What would it cost to mass-manufacture these dongles? I don't know, maybe 4 cents each? I don't think that's going bankrupt Tivo.
And FYI, I am doing HDMI->out but you must have missed the part about the Tivo feeding into an HDMI distributor that services multiple devices that must keep the audio and video in synch, and that the home theater audio wants Dolby 5.1 from the Tivo, but at least one TV panel doesn't understand 5.1 and requires linear PCM (or analog stereo). So it's a little more complex than a simple living room Tivo driving one output device.....
PS: I bought the proprietary dongle on Amazon for $2.72 with free shipping, not the $20 that Tivo charges:
I bought that same dongle from Amazon. Mine had a right-angle connector on the mini-jack end. It fits and works, but was a little annoying.
Seems like a waste to include them if the vast majority of people don't need them. I don't even use the HDMI cables included with devices. I prefer to use the ones I've purchased from Monoprice.
I purchased two sets of the breakout cables from TiVo for two of my Minis. One uses component out for a Slingbox 350. The other uses the composite output for an old DVD burner.
The Roamio does not include the HDMI cable as the older models did.
Apparently the new version of the Mini no longer includes an HDMI cable.
That's fine, but a tiny minority of people using ancient TVs aren't a good enough reason for TiVo to bundle cables in that 99% of the users have no want or need for.
No. They shouldn't. It's a specialty use case. The TiVo Mini has a standard HDMI port on it, and that's all that 99% of it's users need.
More cables, more packaging, more weight... it all adds up.
So you're the 1% of the 1%. That's a highly unusual case, and hardly a reason to TiVo to bundle in cables that 99% of it's users don't need or want.
I didn't say they should bundle them. Somebody else did.
I just don't think a couple 50 cent 3.5mm to RCA cables should cost $20. And why did they need to use a weird pin-out scheme? Just wire it like hundreds of existing cables. I have bags of iPod to video cords that use the same connectors, but TiVo chose a different pin-out.
They used to fill the TiVo box with all kinds of junk nobody wanted. Did anyone actually use those crappy AV cables that came with a Series 2? Or that push-on coax cable? I guess they got tired of wasting money on including cables.
I'd rather they included the proprietary cables (or dongles at least) and left out the HDMI. I buy HDMI cables in bulk for like $3 each. All three of my Mini-included HDMI cables are still wrapped up in the boxes.
You were kind of trying to argue that they should.
Apple used a weird pin-out that was different from all the camcorders that used them before. And who cares what the pin-out is, you can just swap the connectors if the pin-out is different. The only difference is what color goes to what pin.
True, but that was in a different era. They did include a lot of crap with the S2 boxes. I still have their crappy IR blasters, a serial cable, and some other crap laying around from that thing, although we got a pretty good coax with ours.
That makes no sense. Why would they put those cables in that virtually no one wants and not put HDMI cables in, which almost everyone wants? You can get them on eBay for $5, and a lot of people probably have old iPod or camcorder ones laying around anyway, so it's not that big of a deal.
No. WRONG. This type is cable is not automatically interchangeable.
The ground connection could be on what would have been a signal connection. All three RCA jacks share a ground. If the ground is not on the same pin as the TiVo cable, then the cable will not work. You will get noise, distorted video, or nothing. There are lots of threads on here about it.
There is no standard for this type of connection.
However, the way Apple chose to do it made it so the connector would work for headphones, stereo 3.5mm line plugs, or video/AV. Tivo's way of doing it will mix ground and right channel audio on a standard stereo jack, making a horrible noise. So you have to buy their cable even if you just want audio out.
I know that the Apple ones work with camcorder plugs if you change the plug colors around.
You can also buy ones that are specifically intended for the TiVo Mini on eBay for $5.
That has been my point all along. This is a proprietary port, and Tivo should provide the dongle to actually USE it, or use industry standard RCA connections on the device. Same with the component port.
The argument that "nobody needs this" is irrelevant, if Tivo provides the port they should provide the means to use it. It just makes good sense, and if you don't want/need the dongles just throw them away. The reason Tivo loaded up the S2 boxes with every possible type of cable (and even RJ11 phone line splitters if I recall correctly) was to ensure that the customer could open the box and be up and running right away, without having to go out and find/buy a bunch of additional cables.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if the mini had a proprietary HDMI port that required a special dongle/cable to use. I'm sure EVERYBODY (even Bigg) would agree that Tivo needs to provide the interface to use the proprietary port on their device.
So by that logic, every port on every device should have a cable for it? That makes no sense when 99% of the customers don't care about those ports and are just going to use HDMI anyway.
That's a total false equivalence. Virtually everyone using a Mini uses HDMI, virtually no one uses the other two ports. Just pretend that the Mini doesn't have the two analog ports, and you'll be fine as long as you don't want to connect a Slingbox.
By that logic, my car should come with the fuel to use it?
I'll take the cost savings, and buy the necessary cables.
The Roamio Plus does not even have the HDMI cable, the Roamio does need a special dongle to use a phone in place of the internet, If you need the analog cables you can get them on E-Bay for little money. A proprietary HDMI port that required a special dongle/cable to use is another story, and not part of any problem the Mini or HD TiVos have.
That's actually amazing that they even support a phone line on the Roamio. Even at a vacation home, it would be cheaper to have a slow DSL line than a telephone line at this point...
They all do all the normal stuff without adapters at this point.