A problem I need TiVo to solve.

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by plazman30, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    that's also assuming they have way to watch ondemand either via Tivo or the rent a cable box for ondemand.
     
  2. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    VoD or 6 tuner dvr or Hulu or rearranging/prioritizing your recordings.
     
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  3. JoeKustra

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    CBS this Sunday. Masters final. Pad it or lose. ;)
     
  4. SomeRandomIdiot

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    This is another great example of where TiVo's failed technology of 1 tuner needed per PROGRAM instead of 1 tuner per CHANNEL like DirecTV is a major fail.
     
  5. mattack

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    Can you clarify?

    Does this work if you _also_ add padding (due to the networks purposely being 'tricky')?

    I don't remember what the current state is, but at one point, even the Hopper (which is one of the few non-Tivo boxes that were very intriguing to me at one time) wouldn't handle this properly, at _least_ when saving from the "record all the channels" to your saved shows.. (i.e. you wouldn't get the padding, which is necessary to have the ENTIRE show, in both shows when they abutted each other). The EngadgetHD guy I asked about it years ago said they claimed it was a bug that would be fixed..

    Yes, I know I'm talking about DISH.. but I'm wondering if DirecTV DVRs have the same issue..

    Yes, even with 6 tuners on one DVR, I wish it did this 'properly' (not the screwed up implementation from a few years ago that caused glitches recordings)...
     
  6. TonyD79

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    Directv dvrs can share a tuner for multiple programs no matter what the overlap.
     
  7. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Yes, it just works properly.

    To replicate this on TiVo your 6 tuners would become 3 tuners (or 4 tuners become 2). The number of tuners never drops with directv.
     
  8. TonyD79

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    In addition, directv automatically pads at the front and back of every show that it can (tuner available). What's even cooler is that when you start watching, you don't start with the pad but you can back up into it if you need to.

    It's hard to believe that directv figured this out but TiVo evidently failed and gave up.
     
  9. pfiagra

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    Maybe directv has patents around that functionality that prevent TiVo from doing the same thing.
     
  10. TonyD79

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    I doubt it.
     
  11. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    OP. What TiVo do you have? How many tuners? What shows?
     
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    Seven...
  14. lew

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    I think, but I'm not 100% sure, tivo used to use one tuner per channel, when recording. I don't remember which software update removed this feature.

    NBC had their own solution to the issue back on November 17, 1968.

    CBS found the ratings for 60 minutes are better when football runs into regular programming. A "filler" show would result in people changing the channel. Networks pay $$$ for football. Using football to improve the ratings of other programs is one way the networks justify the money. Years ago CBS adjusted 60 minutes to get back on schedule. 60 minutes scheduled at least one repeat segment. 60 minutes would basically air a 20, 40 or 60 minute version on the east coast. Other time zones would get the full 60 minutes.
     
  15. JoeKustra

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    In the last few years CBS has scheduled an extra 30 minutes for the start of 60 minutes. Of course, it's never enough and something else pays the price with a repeat.
     
  16. lew

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    The late games no longer start at 4:00. The extra 30 minutes is more like 15 minutes. CBS wants the late game to run over into 60 minutes. Everything gets moved forward and the 10p shows gets dropped if it will start after 11p, maybe even earlier. Western time zones will get a rerun. Tivo viewers, who fast forward through commercials, who may even use skip mode, aren't viewers who are important to CBS. This was a bigger issue when people only had 2 tuners. Dedicate one tuner to CBS and you won't have a problem.
     
  17. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Doubtful, considering TiVo implemented it - or had it in the code - but it apparently they were not as smart as the DirecTV Coders and could not get it to work properly, so they took it out.
     
  18. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

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    Well played. You are not without verbal skills.
     
  19. Series3Sub

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    While this is an old thread. The problem isn't really TiVo nor any DVR maker, but the process by which the EPG's are updated. This same problem exists for every DVR out today, including Dish and others. I would hope the EPG data providers and MVPD's are working on something togehter, but for now updating EPG's at virtually the last moment as they are today presents problems.

    Now something like the a Hopper3 with 16 tuners could help solve that problem by simply creating manual timers or even ONE manual timer per big 4 broadcaster (Dish Hopper line of DVRs use only ONE tuner to access/record/view live all 4 broadcastes at all times) as a 4+ hour stretch or however long to ensure capturing all shows that air late. However, that surely is not the solution we would like. Further, we have no indication TiVo is ever going to provide the number of tuners close to a Hopper3, but maybe they will, if the "power-user" Bolt is ever released.

    So, this is a problem for EVERYONE. Again, we can only hope that Greacenote and Rovi work with the MVPD's and come up with some innovative solution besides just automatic padding for each timer.
     
  20. TonyD79

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    Unless cable cards get smarter (limit of 6 tuners) or the new standard allow a for more in a single box, I don't see anyone making a cable Dvr that does more than six tuners. OTA maybe but anyone would be hard pressed to tune to seven OTA channels at the same time.

    If they made a super box that needed two cable cards, you have to pay for both so just buy two tivos. Granted there is not a program manager between the two but viewing is simple from each other.
     

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