9.2 Bug fix summary thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by moyekj, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006


    Made some changes to the lists based on latest feedback in this thread (I've been too busy MRV/TTG testing to scour other threads for feedback). Since most of the bugs are reverting back to NOT FIXED despite many posts I've seen stating 9.2 is an improvement over 9.1, I added a comment in the 1st post to that effect. I'm not sure how useful these lists are anymore given that most of the significant bugs have reverted back to NOT FIXED status.
  2. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    I don't think issues are always so cut and dry.

    When you restrict yourself to "fixed" and "unfixed," you miss out on everything in between.
  3. Blahman

    Blahman Member

    Mar 3, 2002
    9.2.J issue I am seeing with Optimum (Cablevision).

    If I manually change a channel the video will play for about 3 seconds on the new channel, pause for a second or so, play at high speed for a second, then begin playing normally and play fine.
    It does not occur when swapping between tuners.

    This happens on both tuners.

    I did have this behavior on 8.x. I am pretty sure I did not have this issue on 9.1 but with so many other issue ticking me off I really didn't watch much for the day and a half I had 9.1. I'm really ticked about that release.
  4. bicker

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003
    Especially since some folks are calling any behavior that has changed, even behavior that has perhaps been changed deliberately, a "bug". :rolleyes:
  5. jtreid

    jtreid Member

    Jan 12, 2006
    Reading, PA


    I got 9.2j overnight and didn't have much time to do much checking, but my biggest peeve with 9.1 was the 30SS. I checked it this morning and I would say, that if I had never seen the behavior of 9.1, I would say 9.2j is just as good as 8.3 was. Now that I'm looking at it closely, I can still cause the freeze if I really fast-finger the skip button, but it is difficult to do. Therefore, I am quite satisfied with the 30SS behavior in 9.2j.....for now.

    I still have the problem where non-DolbyDigital recordings cause my receiver to switch to DD from ProLogic when paused for seveal seconds resulting is a burst of audio when I unpause and the receiver momentarily decodes the optical audio stream as DD when it is, in fact, not DD. However, the jury is still out if this is my problem or a 9.X software problem. It seems to have started with 9.1.
  6. pfibiger

    pfibiger New Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    So, it looks like 9.2 did not fix the dropout/macroblocking completely, it has the same "bandaid solution" that 9.1 had where instead of showing the pixellation it sort of fast-forwards through it. Noticed it 3-4 times last night in a one hour HD recording that had taped after I'd upgraded to 9.2. Bummer, hope Tivo believes this is still an open issue and continues to work on the problem.
  7. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    That was exactly 30SS our experience w/live TV (not that we watch very much, or any really ;) )...and it seems even more "normal" on recorded programs since v9.2.j was installed.

    Our audio seems to be fine, optical out to our Integra receiver. PCM and DD5.1 switch back and forth smoothly. :up:
  8. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    I know for a fact I saw the momentary FF activity you’re talking about w/v9.1, but we haven't seen it at all w/v9.2.j...so far anyway. However we have Moto cards.

    Elementary, but did you try rebooting and/or repeating guided setup? IIRC that helped a couple of other folks.

    Hope it clears up for you.

    SCSIRAID Active Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    Vero Beach, FL
    What was the source for that recording? Encrypted or Unencrypted? Did you check the RS Uncorrected stat if you watched close to real time?

    If the error is in the source then the recording is going to show some effect. I still do some duplicate recording on an SA8300HD just to watch this issue. After 9.2.j the only things I see on the S3 are duplicated on the 8300. However the S3 doesnt appear to be able to deal with the events quite as nicely as the SA8300HD. The S3 stutters a bit and then fast forwards to get into sync. You can see the hiccup on the 8300 but its very obvious on S3. TWC has started to rate shape HD (3 HD streams per channel) which I believe has led to these recent hiccups. They have all been on rate shaped HD. RS Uncorrected stays at zero so they arent RF related. The problems on SD encrypted digital channels are GONE GONE GONE with 9.2.j for me.

    Bottom line is that for what I am seeing... the error is from TWC but the S3 is not handling it very well.
  10. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    That's a thought...I haven't checked on recordings made since I received the update. I just received the update early Monday, and I'm still watching shows recorded last week :rolleyes:

    SCSIRAID Active Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    Vero Beach, FL
    Absolutely.... I didnt mention that in my posts on the subject but thats exactly right. The old recordings still have all the same glitches...... The new recordings indicate the new joy.
  12. Blahman

    Blahman Member

    Mar 3, 2002

    Ah, that explains what I was seeing tonight. Except this seems way more common and is far more distracting than any macroblocking I ever got on 8.x.

    I'm really beginning to get annoyed with my S3. I wish updates could have been blocked like on older kernel hackable units.
  13. mvnuenen

    mvnuenen ~0.0~

    Jun 1, 2007
    Durham, NC
    +1 :D

    I only have my S3 since the father's day sale but experienced pixelation and audio drop-outs from the start. Since 9.2J all gone as far as I can tell...
  14. NEisenman

    NEisenman New Member

    Mar 23, 2004
    I have been having the same or similar problem, ever since 9.1 showed up. On one of the tuners when you tune to a channel, it works for a second and then freezes or goes black. The other tuner seems to work fine. I upgraded to 9.2j and still having the same problem.

    Would it be worthwhile to call tivo? Is there anything that can be done? Or wait until a fix is delivered?


  15. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003

    I had audio droppouts/pixellation earlier this year but it has been some time since I had them. I haven't had them at least since 8.3 and I still don't have them with 9.2.J1. My Scientific Atlanta Cable Cards (slot 1 is a M-Card and Slot 2 is an old S-Card) also have been working fine. In fact I am very happy with 9.2 so far. The interface seems very fast, recordings are fine, no reboots, no CableCard issues, love the new MRV, TTG and the ability to play divx, wmv etc... from my PC. Wish it was this way back in January.
  16. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I'm not 100% positive this didn't exist before.. But yesterday I noticed that if I turn on/off CC when I am paused in live TV, then try to go back to the program, it always jumps to live TV, not the paused point.

    (This happens even if you're using "live TV" during a recording.. i.e. don't start playing it from Now Playing.)

    I know I didn't see this on 9.1 or the previous release, but maybe I didn't run into this exact circumstance. (I was turning on/off CC during Kid Nation a bunch of times to try to understand what the kids were saying.)
  17. Carl Edman

    Carl Edman New Member

    May 14, 2007
    My system: TiVo Series 3, Comcast Arlington, VA, two Scientific Atlanta Cable Cards

    Prior to 9.1, both tuners/CCs worked fine. Since 9.1, the second tuner/CC will only display a blank screen for any but the most basic cable channels. Rebooting will sometimes, but not always, cause the second CC to work for a while, but it always fails again within less than an hour. 9.2 did not fix this.

    Any hope for me?
  18. NEisenman

    NEisenman New Member

    Mar 23, 2004

    To update my post from above. Friday, i called TiVo and was on the phone with them for a while trying to nail down the problem. I have S3 THD with two SA Cable cards, Time Warner Cable in NYC. Before 9.1 everything was working well. Since 9.1, and even after downloading 9.2j, I am having this problem with one of the tuners / cable cards. We figured out what the problem is, but not what is the fix for it. On the bad tuner/cable card, all channels which are scrambled by Time Warner are not working where the unscrambled channels are fine. The Tivo technician asked me to call TWC to have them send a "full initialization hit" and not just a "refresh" to the cable cards. The TiVo technician believes the problem is that the cable card is not holding the authorization (why one is and not the other remained a mystery). I called TWC and had them send a full initialization hit to the cable cards. This did not work. I called the TiVo tech back and she told me that perhaps the cable card is not working. While I doubt that this is the case,, I will try to have TWC come and replace the cable cards. Hopefully this will work. Has anyone else had this issue and replaced the cable cards? Has it worked? Is there somewhere else in this forum where this has been discussed? Has TiVoPony supplied an answer?
  19. Monty2_2001

    Monty2_2001 New Member

    Aug 5, 2005
    I just called today, and got a free 2 months service..

    My story is that I'm afflicted by the optical output problem with 9.1/2.. It's not giving me sound on PCM channels.

    I'm amazingly pleased with Tivo on this, and they said they are taking it to the techs since I gave a good technical description. I am planning on going to an hdmi receiver, but Tivo just went ALL out for my concerns.

    They said they'll give me 2 free months and will look into correcting their bugs. Congrats Tivo!
  20. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Well, at least you have a starting point. :up: Ongoing problems with cable cards are legendary...particularly Scientific Atlanta (SA) cards. Motorola branded cable cards have a much better track record. Upgrades, power failures, any number of things can cause cable cards to go bad temporarily or permanently. Hopefully replacing them will do the trick. There are many cases where cableco techs have installed numerous “new” cards that didn’t work from the start. Hopefully your tech will bring more than two. Also, (from personal experience) you may need to lean on the cableco tech hard to ensure he stays until everything is working properly. They are paid by the job and are generally anxious to move on as quickly as possible. If things aren’t working you may need to call TiVo while he is there and have him talk to them…listen in if you can. ;)

    There are dozens of threads that include cable card discussions, but this sticky is probably a good place to start:

    CableCARD installation FAQ

    Best of luck!

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