9.1 Bugs

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by RoyK, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Sounds like an update is on the way. No new features only bug fixes. That's about it. We'll all just have to wait and see what bugs get fixed. Personally my TiVo works great except for the "30 Second Skip Video Lag" problem. If you want specifics, you could try checking the "release notes" (I kid, I kid!). ;):p
     
  2. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    Finally, after nearly 5 months of silence TiVo is feeling the heat and putting the best spin on this fiasco that they can.

    At least we can perhaps see light at the end of the tunnel.

    In the end it boils down to the same thing that it has for the last three years - 6 months of the year the software is riddled with bugs, the other 6 it works pretty darned well.
     
  3. Alcatraz

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    :rolleyes:
     
  4. pdhenry

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    "Sometimes you have to go to war with the Army you have."
     
  5. steve614

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    Even though I'm not one experiencing problems (unless you count the "30 Second Skip Video Lag" bug, not a showstopper,btw), I'm glad that TiVoPony gave us an update (although it should have been sooner ;) ).

    As a consumer, I feel it's great that Tivo acknowledges its customers.
    How many other companies do that?
     
  6. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    Rumsfeld is the last person I'd quote. This is the same guy who said:

    "We do know, of certain knowledge, that (Bin Laden) is either in Afghanistan or in some other country or dead. "

    A wise commander knows when his army is unprepared, picks his battles, and sends in the special forces.
     
  7. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    man, you live in your own little world. You think TiVo inc. has been sitting around and not workling on the next release. You have not seen a pattern of Pony coming on the board when a release is imminent and giving the bord a head's up.

    If you worked in the real world you would know that release schedules are planned well in advance and that many factors add in to the release schedule and what is released with it. Which is what Pony actually said and was in no way influenced by the whining on this forum.

    ah, but I forgot that yu worked in a perfect little world and no bugs ever happen there, except for small ones that are quickly dealt with. Have fun there. :)
     
  8. RoyK

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    Have a nice day
     
  9. GoHokies!

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    Tough to argue when someone's right, isn't it?

    This mirrors the discussion in the linked thread (and I'll ask the same question here) - does anyone realistically think that the discussions we've had here have changed the timeline for this release one bit? It's nice and all that Pony gave us a heads up (like he usually does), but like Zeo said, this update has been in the works for far longer than people here have been complaining about bugs.
     
  10. RoyK

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    I just don't respond to sarcasm.

    I'm sure we'll be going through this same thing starting next October just as we did last October, the October/November before that, and the October/November before that. Different bugs maybe, and different excuses but same pattern.
     
  11. GoHokies!

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    And your vocal complaints will have the same effect next time around as they did this time. :D
     
  12. RoyK

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    One can always hope.
     
  13. ZeoTiVo

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    depends on how much heavy lifting TiVo will need to do and indeed if there is even a 10.x release anytime soon.

    if they are not making major overhauls in the code base or merging code bases for different platforms that branched off back together, then I would expect the pattern to not be the same. If instead we see a 9.x fall release it would most likely continue the code improvement path.

    Some do not seem to get that TiVo has basically twice done major under the covers changes in both7x and 9x to add in major new features and then major new platform in the series 3 and that series 3 introduced cable cards that are very new technology and have given any organization that touches them some sever growing pains.

    Sure TiVo is responsible for a constantly stable operating DVR with no issues. That is what customers look for. Still I for one am glad TiVo undertook to keep innovating at the same time and also to make sure MRV/TTG stayed as a feature that worked seamlessly between series 2 and series 3. many other companies would have just said - "it wont happen, upgade if you want it"

    To ignore the realities is just simplifying things more than they should be.
     
  14. TivoZorro

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    I'm all for innovations too. Love the latest technology. But the fact is that since my two Series 2 Tivos received the Version 9 software MRV has not worked as it should.

    Take for example yesterday. Set up recordings to transfer from my 649 to my 540. Go back a little later and a transfer is frozen. Have to leave to go to work so I leave it. Get home at 11:30 PM and after an hour of rebooting and kickstarting (57) the 540 and rebooting the 649 I get the transfers working again. Go to bed. Get up in the morning with another frozen transfer due to the fact of a DSL outage. Spend two hours rebooting and kick starting Tivos, rebooting and unplugging DSL modem and router. Finally deleted all of the transfers off the 540. Had this type of thing happened before the upgrade no.

    Glad to hear that this will be resolved soon. Will be away for two weeks and will need to transfer shows smoothly when I do get home for brief periods. Don't have time to troubleshoot and babysit.
     
  15. steve614

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    I've noticed this pattern as well.
    I would be willing to wait another six months if Tivo could just get out a stable release that would put an end to it (says the man not experiencing any major bugs :)).
    Take the time to get it correct now and have less work in the future.
     
  16. bareyb

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    I'm kind of in the sam boat as you are. My TiVo is working perfectly (okay not perfect, slow menus at times and the dreaded 30 second skip video lag) so I'm not too excited about an update. I guessing it won't affect me at all. Hopefully it won't affect me in a bad way. I'd be thrilled if it fixed the 30 SS problem but somehow I have a feeling that little issue is going to be with us S3 users for a long time to come, if not permanently. Anyone know if 30 SS has the video lag on the TiVo Comcast boxes?
     
  17. bobsoron

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    I've worked through deathmarches at software houses, so I respect the candor and perspective from Pony in that thread, but I have to say it feels like the attitude was "We knew we'd reduce many units to smoking holes; we just didn't anticipate so many machines and so many ways."

    They call them "showstoppers" for a reason. You can't ship code that bricks the machine, and 9.1 bricks my Tivo (every so often moving from a Program Details screen to the Now Playing screen hangs my S2). Acknowledging that there were so many showstoppers that they couldn't decide which ones to fix, so they shipped them all, just isn't reasonable.

    Aside from the context on this particular disaster, Pony's note confirmed the obvious, that they're working on fixing the bugs. But there's little comfort I can gain from it because, realistically, the many bugs I've found may or may not be fixed. As he acknowledges, as I've been through in deathmarches, you set your priorities. I say that dispassionately; my indignation's long worn down. I understand this isn't much fun at their end either.

    FWIW, some vendors I've purchased from, such as Roku Labs with its SoundBridges, keep reference versions of their software available so users willing to sacrifice features for stability can restore older versions. It's a good thing to do. Elgato does it with the EyeTV as well. The recent 3.0 release of their software had a couple of pretty nasty bugs, but if you sent them a note, 2.5.2 was available, and a few weeks later, the beta of 3.0.1's available for the asking as well. Wouldn't that be great here?
     
  18. mchips

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    Most of us are not... some people seem to go looking for problems to exploit... everything is a 'major' bug to them... much like the boy who cried wolf... they're always crying about something, so it's hard to take them seriously when/if they actually do have something major to report.

    There are some people that are never satisfied, and never will be...
     
  19. RoyK

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    But I, for one, will be a lot more satisfied once I can get rid of the extension cords that have connected all 3 of my boxes to power since last October so that my semi-invalid wife won't have to get down on her hands and knees to unplug the boxes after they lock up when I'm not home to do it for her.

    Happy you don't have any bugs. Even happier if "Most" don't have them. But more than a few of us do so if our crying upsets you, get used to it.
     
  20. Expat

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    Not being able to transfer between S2 TiVo's with MRV is a MAJOR BUG to me:mad:
    Intolerable menu response, thats now so bad even my wife wonders if it will be fixed and is it worth our continued support of TiVo.:(

    If you don't have any TiVo issues, I'm happy for you, go post in Happy Hour instead:D

    On a lighter note I think TiVo are waiting for the 1000th post milestone in this thread.
     

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