8TB Premiere

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  1. Jul 27, 2018 #61 of 106
    ms602

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    That's good to know -- that an external drive will work with the Bolt reliably, thanks for the heads up. I'm still going with the internal drive though, got everything ordered at this point. In the future, I'd really like to switch to SSD rather than have a mechanical hard drive, but it's simply not cost effective at the moment. $2000 for 2TB is just a little bit expensive. The writing is definitely on the wall though. SSD has overcome it's re-write reliability issues, and even Western Digital is admitting that SSD is how it's going to be.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L0LF4S6/

    Western Digital to Close HDD Plant, Increase SSD Production - ExtremeTech
    Western Digital wonders why enterprise isn't keen on its solid-state drives
     
  2. Jul 27, 2018 #62 of 106
    jmbach

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    You can get a 2TB SSD from BB for about $500. Still expensive.
     
  3. Jul 27, 2018 #63 of 106
    ms602

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    Yes, the SSD prices are indeed going in the right direction. $500 for 2TB is still much higher than the $140 I just paid for a 5TB seagate notebook drive. Maybe in a few more years..
     
  4. Jul 28, 2018 #64 of 106
    HerronScott

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    SMR drives have been known to fail in Bolts after a while and are not recommended (and I believe all the Seagate larger ones are SMR). There are threads on this in the Bolt forum here.

    Scott
     
  5. Jul 28, 2018 #65 of 106
    ms602

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    Thanks for the heads up Scott. You might have saved me a lot of time, pain, and headaches and I truly appreciate that. I was unaware of the SMR problem. I looked at a few of the posts by people who have had reliability issues. I cancelled the Seagate 5TB order, as that drive definitely uses SMR for it's recording method, and it seems quite wise to avoid SMR. What I've found written in the forums, is that Seagate is rumored to have added SMR sometime around the end of 2016 or possibly early 2017. Users have reported that Seagate drives manufactured in early 2016 and earlier were before the company decided to begin using SMR. I think it's telling that TiVo doesn't sell a Bolt with a higher capacity than 3TB/2.5, because Seagate is the only option for larger capacity, and clearly they are having widespread reliability issues perhaps in part to the SMR implementation.

    I located an Amazon Marketplace seller who is offering older factory refurbished Seagate 4TB/2.5 drives. I spoke with the seller and confirmed that the one they are going to send me was made in DEC2015. I think that's the best I can do aside from settle on a 3TB option. If this doesn't last a lifetime, I won't be heartbroken. I just need to get through a year of use, then hopefully SSD prices will have fallen to a reasonable level, and the prices seem to be heading that way..

    Thanks again for the input!

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C4VZO7G/
    http://www.seagate.com/www-content/.../spinpoint-m-series/en-us/docs/100772113e.pdf
    4TB 2.5" drive for Bolt
     
  6. Aug 4, 2018 #66 of 106
    DocNo

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    Best thing to do with the Bolt - get an external power supply and just run a SATA cable outside the bolt case to a 3.5" hard drive. The aforementioned WD Red 8TB is a great drive with the bolt. Do not use the ESATA port - nothing but pain and frustration with that thing.
     
  7. Feb 22, 2019 #67 of 106
    Technogod

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    I was unsuccessful in performing my 6TB to 8TB TiVo Premiere upgrade. Can I add an external hard drive to my 6TB TiVo Premiere? If so, what is the maximum size hard drive?
     
  8. Feb 22, 2019 #68 of 106
    ThAbtO

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    External hard drives are not recommended.
     
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  9. Feb 22, 2019 #69 of 106
    jmbach

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    What kind of problems did you encounter
     
  10. Mar 19, 2019 #70 of 106
    DocNo

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    Bah - rules are for chumps. My drive has been running fine for over a year now.
     
  11. Mar 19, 2019 #71 of 106
    ThAbtO

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    If you are using a single drive, that is fine. but when it comes to dual drive setup, failure in anything between the drives, equipment, power, etc and your recordings may be gone.
     
  12. Mar 20, 2019 #72 of 106
    Bender Rodriguez

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    Can I consolidate my existing internal drive and my external drive on my Premier to a new 8TB internal drive?
     
  13. Mar 20, 2019 #73 of 106
    ThAbtO

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    Short answer, no.
    Long answer, yes, but it takes alot of work, download all non-copy-protected shows off that Tivo to another tivo or PC. Divorce the external drive. Reboot to make sure it works right without it. Backup and restore to a new 8TB drive with MFSTools. BUT, when all else fails, you would need to use a DVRBars image and expand with MFSTools.
     
  14. Mar 20, 2019 #74 of 106
    jmbach

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    Maybe. What is the current size of your internal and external drive?
     
  15. Apr 15, 2019 #75 of 106
    DocNo

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    Why would anyone screw with dual drives in this day and age with 8TB drives? Even if you could go bigger than 8TB my Tivo (even the bolt!) would slow down worse than my Series 2 were. At some point things can get a bit silly...

    EDIT: And if it wasn't clear, I wasn't advocating adding a drive to the Bolt (doesn't support it anyway) but getting a longer internal SATA cable and just run it out the back of the case to a full size external 3.5" hard drive powered with an external .power supply.

    One Tivo, one hard drive

    Best source for power supplies to run a drive caseless is from the USB to SATA drive kits that also come with external power supplies. I got a couple on sale for $12 or $14 on Newegg a few years back and wish I would have bought a dozen of 'em. Those power supplies are crazy convenient for all kinds of things.
     
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  16. Aug 26, 2019 #76 of 106
    wlexx

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    Hi,
    Looking to upgrade the original stock 2TB HD in a Premiere XL4/Elite to a 10TB (e.g. WD Red WD100EFAX).
    Searching through the threads, not seeing much specific to 10TB. Looking for the latest instructions/Experience with the 10TB drive.
    Thanks.
     
  17. Aug 26, 2019 #77 of 106
    jmbach

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    The most you are going to get from a single drive Premiere is 8 TB. If you are wanting more recording space than that, then you will need a 2 drive system.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2019 #78 of 106
    wlexx

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    Thanks @jmbach. I guess I’ll just use the 10TB drive as an 8 TB as there’s currently only a $10 difference on Newegg between the two hard drives.
     
  19. Aug 30, 2019 #79 of 106
    wlexx

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    @jmbach So I started down this road and things went smoothly up to step 7 where it seems like I should have specified the size (instead of just mfsadd -x /dev/sdY) since I have a drive larger than 8TB. Step 8 failed as incomplete with the error "Actual size 6949961728 bytes but should not exceed 4294967295. The MFS media partition needs to shrink by at least 2654994433 bytes. Unable to coalesce. Processing of drive is incomplete"

    Is there any way to back out of this one step and delete this larger volume (15 and 16 or is just 16?) re-run step 7 and 8 without starting all over?
     
  20. Aug 30, 2019 #80 of 106
    jmbach

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    You are correct in that you should of specified the drive size.

    We should be able to correct this. Let me think on the easiest way to do this.
     
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