802.11g Adapters Added to Compatible Adapters List

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by TiVoBill, Feb 17, 2005.

  1. Feb 22, 2005 #81 of 302
    George4073

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    Yes, a G adaper will work with a B network. You will just not have the speed and other benefits of a G network.

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  2. Feb 22, 2005 #82 of 302
    George4073

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    I'm not sure where the v1 was made but just know it wasn't China. Good luck with the install. I wish Netgear would label the version on the outside of the box like Linksys and others do.
     
  3. Feb 22, 2005 #83 of 302
    MikeyB

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    A "g" adapter is backward compatible with a "b" network.
     
  4. Feb 22, 2005 #84 of 302
    engineer_mike

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    Is Tivo using USB 2.0? Because USB 1.1 is only capable of 12mbps.
     
  5. Feb 22, 2005 #85 of 302
    TomStapes

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    I just ran out to CompUSA to pick up the WG111, brought it back to the office to open it up, and the only V2 I can find is on the FCC ID. Is this what you folks are seeing as well?

    I would like to get the right one home the first time, because my wife won't let me fiddle with our Tivo for too long...
     
  6. Feb 22, 2005 #86 of 302
    MikeyB

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    The version is printed on the outside of the box of every Linksys product. They're usually pretty hard to find though. It should def. be listed near the model number on the actual product as well.
     
  7. Feb 22, 2005 #87 of 302
    George4073

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    The v2 is on the little label on the adapter. I don't remember if it is by the FCC id. If you don't see it on the adapter take a look at the cd that came in the box. The cd will also say the version on it. Since the WG111 is a netgear product they don't list the version on the box.
     
  8. Feb 22, 2005 #88 of 302
    e-treesh

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    My Netgear adapter had "4054A-WG111V2" in small print on the bottom of the label on the unit.

    TiVo now supports USB 2.0. However, according to previous posts to this thread, there are hardware constraints that keep the data rate so low you will not see any increase going from USB 1.1 to USB 2.0.

    On the rebates. CompUSA gave me the credit to match the Staples in-store rebate but then they keep the paper work for one of the mail-in rebates. I just printed the rebate off their web site.
     
  9. Feb 22, 2005 #89 of 302
    Logik

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    I've seen this contention over and over and over in here, but I don't get why. If I recall correctly, people using wired Tivos get (faster than?) real-time Tivo-to-Tivo transfers (what's "MVR" mean, anyway?), making it possible to watch shows as they're being transferred. If that recollection is correct, then USB 1.1's max theoretical speed shouldn't be an issue at all, seeing as how both wired and wireless are both using the same exact USB port.

    I'm terribly sad to hear that g doesn't bring an (worthwhile) improvement over b for Tivo-to-Tivo transfers. Shame on me for believing them, but people on these boards were claiming to be getting real-time or faster transfers with g adapters they were able to get working (before the "officially supported" announcement). Wiring them is going to be hell in my home and the gateway trick isn't exactly cost efficient.

    So, now I wonder if the noted hardware limitation after USB 2.0 being enabled is a driver bottleneck or really is just a glut of processing power. If the latter, then we could pretty well be SOL. If the former, then there is hope that it could be improved. Here's to hoping.

    [edit] Nevermind on "MRV". Just figured it out. "Multi-Room Viewing"
     
  10. Feb 22, 2005 #90 of 302
    Electronut

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    Just picked up my WG111 at CompUSA and sure enough it was a v.2 It's printed right on the side of it where the FCC numbers are.
     
  11. Feb 22, 2005 #91 of 302
    boscodegama

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    I can't believe this crap. After I have mine over-nighted to me you make this statement. Now I have to send it back. Wow, just got my TiVo a week ago and I've been a BIG fan for a couple of years now even without owning one and this is a serious blemish in my book. Sigh.. I didn't even know there was two versions when I ordered it. Thank God it was from Newegg.. No hassle returns.

    I'm a stock in owner in TiVo too.. Bleck.. Shape up.. Do research BEFORE you recommend something. Is that too much to ask? A little testing maybe?



    [ in reference to DWL-G120 ver. B1 being removed from the recommended list ]
     
  12. Feb 22, 2005 #92 of 302
    engineer_mike

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    Well, not exactly. USB 1.1 and 2.0 are hardware specifications. It's not as simple as just updating the driver. You would need brand new hardware, capable of supporting the higher speeds. You can plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 1.1 host, it will just default to the slower speed.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2005 #93 of 302
    engineer_mike

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    USB 1.1 isn't fast enough to support 802.11G's full speed. In fact, it can barely support B.

    wireless B = 11 mbps
    wireless G = 54 mbps

    USB 1.1 = 12 mbps
    USB 2.0 = 480 mbps... it's the only interface that will allow G to operate at full speed
     
  14. Feb 22, 2005 #94 of 302
    e-treesh

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    This was my source for my statment.


     
  15. Feb 23, 2005 #95 of 302
    HotStuff2

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    802.11g is compatible with previous 802.11b technology. It will simply connect at the 11mb speed that 802.11b is capable of.
     
  16. Feb 23, 2005 #96 of 302
    KrazyG

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    I am using my dwl-g120 v1 without any noticeable problems. I hope the next TiVo update doesn't somehow disable it from working all together. Sure, I had to reboot a few times in the beginning and the menus on my TiVo are a little slow, but I have not seen reboots happen on their own. I think the slowness comes from just having 7.1a on the TiVo. My show transfers actually complete, which is a big improvement over my Netgear MA111 adapter.
     
  17. Feb 23, 2005 #97 of 302
    ZeoTiVo

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    all sereis 2 240 and 540 models and the DVD models have USB 2.0 hardware in them. TiVo had been using USB 1.1 spec drivers in 4x and 5x OS and has now released USB 2.0 drivers in 7x OS. As you noted USB 2.0 adapters could be plugged into the TiVo and work (and indeed worked a little better than a USB 1.1 adapter in 4x) . Now with the final piece of the puzzle going to USB 2.0 (the driver) MRV over wire is very fast. aprrently the wireless adapter drivers have other things going on that are casuing TiVo problems on getting to full speed on them.
     
  18. Feb 23, 2005 #98 of 302
    AGoss

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    Ok, we are seeing very fast performance using a wired connection with MRV but what about T2G?

    Isn't the bottle neck still the Tivo which has do something to the file before transferring it to the PC? Has any one seen/compared the two methods as it relates to T2G? Is the performance difference so great that I should be working towards a wired connection and just give up on the wireless connection.

    It is currently taking 1.5+ hours to transfer a 810 MB file to my PC using a WG111 Ver. 2 adapter.

    Andy
     
  19. Feb 23, 2005 #99 of 302
    BUDYL

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    FYI. I get about a 70% signal shown on my Toshiba SD-H400 Tivo and transfer 1 hr show at high quality in about an hour (1.6 gig). Pretty consistent. Using a 11b adapter on a netgear 11g router. I might go out and try a WG111 v2 just to see if there is any improvement either due to improved signal strength or 11g over 11b. I'll post any success/failure.
     
  20. ZeoTiVo

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    yes, TTG is slower because it has to use CPU to process the file before it goes out of the box.

    for now the performance on wired is much better than wireless. I can transfer a medium quality 60 minute show (roughly 1.3 gig) in 33 minutes.

    1.5+ hours is slow even for wireless, however. You may have an older access point which is just not very preforment. I have seen people report much improved speeds by swapping out this hardware. also if you have interference, which may not show in signal strength, then it is slow as the packets keep needing to be resent after being futzed by the interference.

    I am sure TiVo is working on the wireless performance issues, I have no idea how far along they are on figuring out the issue though.

    I just never bought into the wireless way as I like big stable pipes(used to be a network admin) adn just bit the bullet and ran wire through my attic, etc..
     

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