8 tuner Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by kturcotte, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. Bigg

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    TiVo should do a 12-tuner model that's made for rackmounting and has 12TB of storage. That would be awesome!

    This is an interesting move by DISH, although DISH is typically a value-oriented service, where DirecTV is premium, so it's a bit out of character. I think DirecTV will offer something more than 5 tuners on Genie, as they are rolling out SWiM 13 and soon SWiM 21 LNBs.

    My Roku fits nicely on my ATV.
     
  2. HobokenSkier

    HobokenSkier Well-Known Member

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    I had

    Popbox v8
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    in a stack at one point

    Just needed to add some kindling to the sides.
     
  3. ej42137

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    What admit? Except for one ambiguous line in a release note, TiVo never announced or committed to the feature, it just appeared and then quietly went away two releases later with no explanation or apology.

    DirectTV has a much larger install base to amortize the cost of their engineers on, and those engineers have to continuously and actively deal with video stream changes in the satellites. Yet their user interace sux compared to TiVo.

    I'm sure if TiVo would just contract out the video problem to Dan203 he could fix it right up.
     
  4. Bigg

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    Yeah, I had a different stack with a DVDO EDGE, a VCR, an HDMI switch, a composite switch, and a composite to HDMI converter. I realized I don't use half the stuff, so I can scale back. I also don't really need FireTV AND Roku AND Apple TV AND Roku lol. But I do like having options!
     
  5. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Based on your assumption of larger user base = better code/equipment, then TiVo might as well declare Bankruptcy now. As DVRs are TiVo ONLY product, then it better be the best DVR on the market, because they are certainly NOT the most affordable!
     
  6. ej42137

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    You should try reading my post. I said exactly the opposite.
     
  7. Bigg

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    They would be if they didn't have their MSO partners. Atlantic Broadband is rolling them out now. It's small additions here and there through MSOs that have built most of their user base over the past few years.
     
  8. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Agree, that is the only thing saving their butt.

    But as seen with DirecTV Tivo units, if it is not a state of the art DVR, then it's going nowhere.

    If TiVo units are not the best in the Industry, TiVo is doomed.
     
  9. kturcotte

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    I know I got all excited for a "More tuner" DVR, but now that I've thought about it, I'm surprised at this. I'd like to see them move AWAY from tuners. Almost all of the channels now have apps that allow either live tv, on demand, or both. Wouldn't surprise me to see Directv, Dish Network, and cable companies move to just a simple box with a bunch of apps on it, or even eliminate the box all together and go to a Roku and/or smart tv app. Roku has a 4k box out. Make the apps have options for video quality. Make it "Auto" be default for the most that don't know how or don't want to play with that setting, and then also allow us to manually select resolution(s). For those that don't have really fast internet, this could work fine. Imagine how much money Directv and Dish Network could save if they didn't have to develop, launch, and maintain satellites, as well as receivers and dishes. Just the app and maybe a simple box that has an HDMI output, ethernet, power and 802.11ac. And yes, I do realize this would pretty much put Tivo out of business, but honestly, I see that as an eventuality anyway.
     
  10. atmuscarella

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    If the Government had decided long ago to have Internet access be a regulated monopoly and licensed individual companies throughout the country to provide the service with a mandate to maintain open access Gb fiber to everyone's home/business, there would be no need for any cable or satellite companies or even local OTA broadcasts. Everything could be delivered via ip to the end consumer via individual subscription directly from the broadcaster.

    But instead we have the mess we have - and if you think the Comcasts of the world are going to allow full blown ip cable services to be sold and delivered via their Internet lines without being paid allot more than they are now - well I have some swamp land that would make a great investment for ya.
     
  11. TonyD79

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    Interesting take. Who would take on the cost?
     
  12. Bigg

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    I agree. But if you look at small MSOs that don't have the capital to spend tens of millions of dollars developing their own entire platform like X1, the TiVo is far and away better than iGuide, and they've got several MSOs that are happy with them. The biggest threat would be if Comcast starts licensing X1 to smaller MSOs, but I don't think they are really interested in that business.
     
  13. mattack

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    Unless there's a way to get everything without commercials, I say absolutely NOT.

    (I say this as someone who uses On Demand, with forced (but usually less than when originally broadcast) commercials, infrequently but regularly enough to appreciate it.. That's me doing it willingly though, usually to watch the HD version of something I recorded originally in SD due to disk space..)
     
  14. Series3Sub

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    Let me say that DirecTV is a fine service with great engineers, and there was no doubt that DTV equipment and interface was superior to Dish--until about 2003. Yes, Dish is the value product that had the "Mickey Mouse" interface and graphics from 1996 (starting 2 years after DirecTV), but to my suprise the Echostar engineers and, perhaps, Dish's position as #2 sat service spurred them on, resulted in the best tech, DVR's, interfaces and features of ANY DVR from that point forward, and still the case today with the Hopper being always superior to the Genie and now the R3. A lot of firsts for Dish DVR's including two tuners, etc. TiVo, RePlayTV, and Dish were the very first DVR's with the DishPlayer 7100 having an interface and experience as good as TiVo's, but TiVo the best back on 1999. However, the software for the DishPlayer was owned and controled by Microsoft, and they pretty much hobbled that DVR, and then a short time later, Microsoft came out with its own DVR. Vowing never to be dependant on a 3rd party for DVR again, Dish started its in-house DVR which was greatly inferior to TiVo of any other DVR out there at the time. But come around 2003, Dish blew away everyone else.

    As for TiVo, they started with such an elegant and freidnly design that was so well thought out, there wasn't much to improve for some years. Everybody else had to catch up to what a TiVo's was. Then the management changed at TiVo and it seemed to lose its innovation until more recently.

    No doubt DirecTV always felt it should have the best products out there, but Dish probably knew that if they had any hope of competing, they had to have even better (the best) products. The old saying, "We're #2; we try harder" was adopted by Avis, and I think Dish's continual innovation is born from this and still being a foudner's company, a personal demad of founder Charlie Ergen. I couldn't believe that I was a subscriber to the #2 sat company and had superior tech in my home compared to DTV. Of course, that can be subjective, I know, but I was most often dissappointed that DirecTV never go superior products out the door. They very good experience products out the door and into homes that certainly deserve praise, but not the best.

    I just hope AT&T does not eventually diminish DirecTV because we all need good options and healty competition.
     
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  15. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Comcast IS LICENSING X1 to other MSOs. That was their plan all along.
     
  16. SomeRandomIdiot

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    I agree. The Hopper is better than the HR / Genie series from DTV. But given HD-Lite from Dish, not to mention better quality on the technical transmission side (Dish Streams are full of errors), DirecTV has a better VIEWING experience.

    And yes, very sad TiVo did not keep up their lead. I had the old DirecTV HR10-250 10+ years ago, with Tivo.

    I was shocked last Quarter when activating my TiVos to find that they had really not improved the core DVR much since then - while Dish and DirecTV have gone full speed ahead.
     
  17. agredon

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    Right now, I have 8 TiVo Tuners (plus 7 WMC Tuners which I use to duplicate record the shows I want to archive to get them in WTV format). I almost never use all of the tuners. Now, having 8-12 tuners on a central device would be nice so that I don't have to manually divide up my One Passes between multiple DVRs. Something I could mount on my server rack and stream to Minis in each room would be perfect, but not if it costs $5,000 (TiVo Mega).
     
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  18. randian

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    They must be doing it super cheap then, because the X1 is terrible compared to a TiVo.
     
  19. TonyD79

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    X1 is terrible period. It is a cloud Dvr without the benefit of the cloud. All activity happens both locally and in the cloud (including trick play) and the whole system bogs down or can even halt.
     
  20. randian

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    Yes, I've seen that happen with a friend's X1. It looks pretty though which hooks a lot of people who don't take the time to actually use it before bringing it home and find out how hard it is to use. Plus a lot of Comcast's bundles include an X1 so if you get a TiVo you're paying double for DVR service.
     

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