8 tuner Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by kturcotte, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

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    As relatively new to TiVo, I have no inside information, but reading the fine nuances of the Q&A last October, several things stick out to me:

    1) Bolt Design and 4 tuners is admitted to be something to stand out for non-Tivo Subs now. Admits users here are different and something is coming. With that said, and note Bolt will not fit in AV installs with its quirky design, sounds as "Pro" model will not be a Bolt (which I would applaud with its 2.5" hard drives and, well, quirky design).

    2) With 6 channels effective max of CableCards in the Wild, along with some things that were answered, it sounds as if there might be Software that will run 2 or more 6 Tuner units as one...say in Master and Slave configuration. In other words, schedule as much as you want, as long as there are tuners available on the primary or secondary TiVos, they will distribute recordings automatically.

    As I wondered why TiVo does not do that now, I may be reading to much into a specific question and answer, but it sure sounds that may be reality (and quite frankly, that would be 1 of the 2 key features I would like to see).

    3) Was moving programming between 2 Roamios last week. Atleast on FiOS, anything from Fox (Fox News, Fox Business, FXN, Nat Geo etc) would NOT transfer to the other TiVo. It was coded as transfer prohibited. Same for the Premium Movie Channels.

    First, I cannot believe that Fox News et al are coded correctly, but regardless. According to the law, those channels should allow to transfer (Copy Once) PROVIDING the original is deleted. Clearly TiVo does not delete the Original. However, there should be an option to do that.

    4) And finally, I do not see it as a good sign for the "Pro" model because nothing has been shown on the CES Floor. Atleast that I am aware of.

    TiVo released a Press Release with what was new at their booth 2 days ago (1/5/2016 - TiVo Expands the Boundaries of Personal TV With Amazon Fire TV and the Latest Mobile Updates at CES 2016 Company Located at Booth #7904 at the Las Vegas Convention Center) just like Dish did and no new models were hinted at or included in the release.

    That is a bad sign to me.

    Although, a Master / Slave setup with 2 or more Bolts, a Bolt with 2 or more Roamio Pro, or even multiple Roamio Pros (as noted above in #2) would make me happier than a new "Pro" at this time.

    Again, I have no inside info - just using the evidence (and postings from TiVO CMO) while reading between the lines.

    After all, I am just SomeRandomIdiot.
     
  2. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Tivo almost never gives any new retail info during CES. You are reading way more into their silence on the pro model than there is. For example, Bolt was not on the floor last year, was it?

    Tivo has gone to a single point model, I would not treat the Mega announcement of changing that model. Tivo has had a single box handle multiple cablecards starting about 10 years ago, so that is the same thing.

    Fox has applied this flag for about a year now, search the threads. A move function would be nice, Tivo has a form of that already for iOS downloads. But, with their single box approach, I would not count on it ever coming to retail.
     
  3. HobokenSkier

    HobokenSkier Well-Known Member

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    Your point 1 is a non issue to 99% of pro installs. Roku, ATV, SONOS are quirky designs if standard is a 19in 1RU.

    You put it on a shelf and if feeling glam get a laser cut front panel. Middle atlantic already has the TCD849500 (AKA BOLT) in the database.

    Even most AVRs don't come with a rack ear kit option.
     
  4. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    But we're looking at where things are headed. Not where they are today.

    And your argument that you're already bumping up against your cap, because you're watching all this streaming video, really only strengthens the point that VoD makes more tuners in a cable dvr much less likely and much less needed.
     
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  5. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

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    I don't need more tuners but I sure need to use the tuners I have to record content I can record without using data from the internet. My response was to your claim that who needs to record HBO if HBO Go is added to TiVo, I do and I assume so do many others.

    If things are headed to no caps without paying more for broadband internet access, fine but I don't have a crystal ball that makes that clear to me and I don't expect that to happen.
     
  6. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

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    Not talking about a rack kit, which, custom installers custom make for all AVRs.

    Talking about plain old flat - not a quirky design that does not allow equipment to put on top of each other.

    Again, re-read the comments from TiVo CMO about why Bolt is shaped the way it is and who it was aimed at. I am only summarizing what he stated and inferred for larger units than the Basic Roamio.

    Then again, I am just Some Random Idiot.
     
  7. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

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    Even CEO of Verizon stated that no-cap was not a sustainable model for FiOS in the last 30 days.
     
  8. HobokenSkier

    HobokenSkier Well-Known Member

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    But the 19in black boxes under the tv have gone the way of the arc and whatever you are installing needs shelves.

    The ATV or Roku have flat bases but are not condusive to putting on top of one another. Unless you are designing an Egyptian pyramid.

    But yes, I do see, and it was alluded to for a 6 tuner rack / pro friendly design. Maybe even with a rack ear screw kit.
     
  9. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

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    I have to believe he is right since I am not seeing anything that would make me believe otherwise. Paying a premium for a no-cap plan is sustainable but that option is not going to be cheap.
     
  10. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    the hopper 3 sounds like an attempt by dish to lure high dollar directv accounts, and increase their arpu.

    it'd better include a sizeable hard drive, or the tuners will simply be continuously overwriting unviewed recordings.
     
  11. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    The point of that statement was to illustrate the decreased need for more tuners in cable dvrs.

    And when you point out that you're already bumping up against your data limit. It doesn't illustrate to me how many people need to start finding ways to use less data.

    It illustrates to me the growing demand for VoD. The growing demand for more data. And as result, the direction data caps will go.
     
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  12. Series3Sub

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    Right, but the Sports Bar mode that will put, at release, 4 different channels on your screen, to later be increased to 6 channels on your TV, also plays into the necessity of 16 tuners.
     
  13. Series3Sub

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    The one thing H3 offers is handling all this as a single system, not running between TiVo's. I, too, have a multiple TiVo home and managing all the timers is bit of a pain, and TiVo Online does not make it easier necessarily, especially since TiVo has NEUTERED my S3 648's and HDXL from online management. Nothing substitutes for ME being at the box. By TiVo kicking all S3 models to the curb as far as online management, TiVo has inadvertently degrade the TiVo experience compared to an H3. Add to that the crazy new pricing for the Bolt, and there may be some legacy TiVo subs who will figure moving from Cable to Sat without their current legacy TiVo may not be that bad, after all. I think it was really very poor form of TiVo to cut all S3 models from any online management. No excuse for it, as there were reasons for YouTube and Amazon being ripped away.

    The only thing that has not been mentioned about the H3 is any form of built-in profiles or built-in way to segregate different household members recordings. One can use the Custom Folder option (something TiVo should have provided YEARS ago) to create folders for each member of the household, but that is not the ideal solution.
     
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  14. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

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    We had it for a while. Unfortunately it didn't merge the cut points correctly which somehow caused a problem that would freeze your TiVo for about 30 seconds, and sometimes crash it completely. (It turns out chopping up video streams is much harder than it sounds.) TiVo "fixed" the problem by quietly withdrawing overlap recording.

    On Sundays and Tuesdays I greatly miss that feature.
     
  15. SomeRandomIdiot

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    As DirecTV has done it seamlessly for years now, TiVo must be admitting that DirecTV Engineers are better than TiVo's Engineers when it comes to DVR Functionality.
     
  16. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    With 6 tuners I never run into conflicts. That and I have other Tivos set to record the filler/kids show season passes. Since they all stream-from-disk to each other there's little need to worry which unit is doing the recording anymore.
     
  17. GoodSpike

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    I guess it depends on what HBO Go looks like.

    If it looks like the Netflix app, probably no one.
    If it looks like the Amazon app, probably a few. (FF is not as nice)
    If it looks like Xfinity on Demand, probably everyone. (FF doesn't exist and the picture sucks)
     
  18. jonw747

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    We're talking different hardware, different code bases, and who knows whether the developers who originally worked on the product are still around - so the challenges are unique.

    So hard to say without a lot of inside knowledge, but the idea of tossing out a feature that may make the product unstable or corrupt recordings isn't a bad one.

    Personally, I've only needed to extend a couple of shows, and with 6 tuners, no conflicts so far. My DirecTv DVR's definitely benefited from automatic overlapped recording because they only had 2 tuners each, but in some cases it didn't get the job done because it had switch channels.

    Now what would be a huge feature is if the DVR could automatically adjust to the start end end time of the programs so no matter what happens it snags the program. Also if it could find in-market games rather than record a channel which is blocking an out of market game.
     
  19. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Tivo n00b

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    I think Sports bar mode sounds awesome, and I'm not sure why! :D
     
  20. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

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    No real Sports Bar will put in Dish with NFL ST being exclusive to DirecTV.
     

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