7.2 killing my 810H

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  1. dirtypacman

    dirtypacman Coming and going

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    Hmmm based upon earlier suggestions and my post of

    "b) take another shot at re-doing your upgrade"

    Seems like my input was helpful :cool:
     
  2. JoshNJ

    JoshNJ New Member

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    how can there be no way to fix this problem without losing everything on the tivo, i don't want to lose 2 years worth of season passes/preferences/60+ hours of tivo'd shows
     
  3. vanreuter

    vanreuter New Member

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    Tivo made 810H owners wait almost a year for a software patch to fix the pixilation problem, how long (if ever) will they take to even admit to this one? We are (and we have been) the Orphans of TiVo...:)

    George
     
  4. petew

    petew Active Member

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    If you have or can borrow a second disk with at least the same capacity then you can copy all your recordings from the current disk to the new one. It will take many hours but it does work, most of the how-tos include information on this step.
     
  5. JEMoritz

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    I also have an upgraded 810H, which I purchased direct from Weaknees, 315 hours, not sure what size the HD is. Got 7.2 and it immediately started locking up every 15 minutes. Not a HD problem, it was replaced 6 months ago and was working perfectly before the 7.2 upgrade. If I don't have the original 80g hard drive, what can I do? How can I get the upgrade to download again? Thanks!
     
  6. JEMoritz

    JEMoritz New Member

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    This is what Weaknees suggested: :(

    We can test and reformat the drive - we really don't think this is a swap issue. We would also replace the drive if necessary. The charge is $179.

    Thanks, WeaKnees
     
  7. nigebj

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    Pioneer made you wait that long to resolve pixelation - not Tivo - this was the only device with this issue, which originally Pioneer were trying to avoid even resolving.

    And, there are many orphans who are much worse off than us - DirectTV Tivo with no HMO, Series 1 owners, etc. We should count ourselves lucky 7.2 IS here. That said, it does seem to be problematic for many users here.

    My machine, touch wood, seems to be fine and stable - it was an early 810 as well, which if anything would be one I'd expect to have issues, if at all. It has also been upgraded, by me (pretty much following the PTVUpgrades instructions with the v5 software), so it's not a general 'stock'/'upgraded' issue apparently.
     
  8. petew

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    if anyone with the problem is feeling brave they could try looking at the Tivo logs.

    Adapting wanders instructions:

    3) Turned off PC, turned off TiVo, disconnected PC system hdd, removed
    TiVo drive and hooked up drives as follows:

    Primary Master - 2GB empty Fat32 drive = hda
    Primary Slave - original TiVo drive (80 gb Maxtor) = hdb
    Secondary Master - cd-rom drive = hdc

    4) Booted PC to bios and changed boot sequence in bios to boot from the
    cd drive first

    5) Booted with MFStools 2.0 cd

    6) At # prompt, typed the following commands to mount my fat32 drive:

    mkdir /mnt/dos
    mkdir /mnt/var

    mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos
    mount /dev/hdb9 /mnt/var

    7) Copy the log files from the Tivo disk to the PC disk.

    cp /mnt/var/log/* /mnt/dos

    8) Then shutdown, remove the Tivo disk and make the spare drive primary slave and boot to windoze and examine the contents of the spare drive. The file that will probably be most interesting is messages.
     
  9. petew

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    Stolen from this thread http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3222742#post3222742 in the help forum.

     
  10. Praedicator

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    Is tpip included on any of the boot CDs? I read in one of the forums that tpip 1.1 is on the PTV boot CD, is that true?

    When I upgraded from 80GB to 400GB for my 810H I did not run tpip, so my swap file is probably toast and causing all of these problems with 7.2.

    From what I gather in this thread doing the following "might" work:

    • Pull the 400GB drive from the 810H
    • Put the that drive and ANOTHER 400GB drive into a PC w/ mfstools
    • Run mfsbackup/mfsrestore from the original drive to the new drive
    • Run tpip to recreate the appropriate swap file
    • Put the new 400GB drive in the 810H and 7.2 will finally work properly

    Can anyone confirm or refute this?
     
  11. GGillian

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    I'm in the same boat. 810 with an expanded HD is freezing up and requring reboot, since downloading 7.2. Also can't access the Season Pass Manager or the Upcoming Episodes -- the System Information screen shows GC and Indexing as "none yet." I wish TiVo would get a patch in place but unless someone with a stock HD has the same problem, they don't have to address it. They don't support the expanded hard drives.

    TiVo CSR politely told me to talk to Weaknees. They were familiar with the problem but the only fix they offer is a new HD, 'special offer' of $179, and losing all my programming. If there's a way to fix the problem and save my saved shows, etc., I'd be grateful! Otherwise I'll drive it down to Weaknees and buy their fix, plus the Extended 2-year warranty...
     
  12. TXSTICK

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    After I was upgraded to 7.2 on my 810h I did the following.

    Hooked up org 80gb drive to hdb and 250gb maxtor to hdd, booted with lba boot cd, and used the following command

    mfsbackup -f 9999 -so - /dev/hdb | mfsrestore -s 127 -r 4 -xzpi - /dev/hdd

    I had a dos 32 drive on hda and cdrom on hdc, I was going to copy a backup to the dos drive first but changed my mind, I think it should work just going from hda to hdb, (hda org 80gb and hdb 250gb)

    tried the drive and new drive only showed 89 hrs :(

    next hooked 250gb backup up to the hda (set to master by itself) then ran

    mfsadd -x /dev/hda (then tried drive still at 89 hrs) :(

    and then hooked it backup and ran

    sd-h400_unlock -w /dev/hda

    set drive back to CS and installed.
    Drive now shows 326hrs

    After one day I now see some freezing going on now and then. :(
     
  13. petew

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    See http://www.courtesan.com/tivo/tpip.html for tpip information and download if it isn't on your boot disk. If the swap header is the problem then running tpip on the existing disk without the backup/restore might fix the problem.

    Of course if someone happens to have a spare disk lying around they could make a copy of their disk and then try tpip on the original before trying the procedure above on the new copy.
     
  14. GGillian

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    I *seem* to have found a kludge that has stopped mine freezing up, at least for now, and given me the chance to write a bunch of stuff to DVD before letting weaknees replace the drive (or having a hacker friend play with tpip and risking losing my data). I deleted a bunch of less important stuff, and now the machine *seems* to be running smoothly, at least it's writing to DVD-R without freezing up. Does it make sense that the problems would be minimized by having less than 80 GB content on the HD?
     
  15. robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    tpip is indeed on the PTVupgrade v4.0 and v4.01 Boot CDs. It is not on the Weaknees Boot CD (which I use to do all of my hard disc upgrades). I only use the PTVupgrade CD to run tpip.

    I will volunteer to do some testing to determine the effects of bad swap files. I have an *extra* 320GB drive (waiting on a TiVo from Ebay to arrive :D) and I will do a restore from my *golden* image backup with v5.2 software.

    I'll do the following:

    1) restore v5.2 with -s 127 and force a connection to update to v7.2.
    2) restore v5.2 with -s 192 (no tpip) and force a connection to update to v7.2.
    3) restore v5.2 with -s 127 and let the TiVo update by itself (this will take a few days).
    4) restore v5.2 with -s 192 and tpip to correctly format the swap file, then wait for the TiVo to update itself.

    Anyone have any other test scenarios?

    I anticipate that scenarios 1, 2 and 3 will fail in some way, and scenario 4 will work (which is how I've done my other disc upgrades). I can also post my exact commands, if that would be helpful to anyone.

    One question for all who are having problems. Do you have Tivo Plus or Tivo Basic? I can test both of these, if necessary.
     
  16. deadenders

    deadenders Tivo User

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    Got lazy and ordered a drive from weakness. Low and behold it worked. It was at 5.2 so a few calls and it upgrades to 7.2. Now I'm having a new problem where I can see my network, tivo to tivo transfers work great, but I'm failing on the service connection. I have the old linksys wireless b adapter that was the "offical" one pimped by Tivo. The test connection works but when I try to connect to service I get an error when it's on "setting clock" saying that the ports that it needs are unavialble. Strange since it worked before. I tried port forwarding the upd and tcp numbers they asked for and it made no difference. Hmmm. So now I have to make daily calls over the phone, yet the network stuff work great. Oh back on topic I'm planing on trying out this tpip on my older drive and see if that fixes the problem.
     
  17. Ba Boop

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    One possible cause of this problem could be the swap file, either one of insufficient size or incorrectly initialized. If you have upgraded to a large hard drive (greater than 250GB), you may have a swap file problem. For every 2GB of hard drive space, you need 1MB of swap file. In other words, a 300GB drive needs at least a 150MB swap file to recover successfully from a GSOD.

    I mention this because I had a problem with my upgrade, from an 80GB to a 320GB. I used the weaknees.com online guide, which recommended a 127MB swap file. This was before I learned about the recommended swap file size.

    But wait, it gets better. There is a problem with mfsrestore. If you use it to make a swap file greater than 127MB, the swap file is improperly initialized and you essentially have NO swap file. You need to run a program called tpip to properly initialize the swap file. Search for tpip in the Upgrade forum.

    So, to summarize, if you have a drive greater than 250GB, make sure you have used mfsrestore and tpip to properly create a swap file.

    Hope this helps
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    This was a response sent to me when my un-upgraded drive failed, in another thread, weeks befofe 7.2 came down the pipe. Maybe PTV does somthing different than Weakness for the swap file or maybe because my upgraded drive is only 180 gig. Some say size matters :) any way mine is still working fine Just finished burning season 2 of Entourage.
     
  18. Ba Boop

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    Sugar Land,...
    Sorry I was posting to the bottom of page 1. Robmiester was the one who posted what I said, and here he is with the answer.
     
  19. petew

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  20. warner

    warner New Member

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    hmmm, didn't even occur to me that the wireless ethernet could possibly be the culprit...though it could be separate and unrelated issues. I am almost certain that I am using the Netgear WG111. I'll have to verify when I get home tonight. For the time being, I took out my 250 gig and have switched back to the original 80 gig drive and 7.2 has been working great on it.

    update: sorry, i'm using Netgear MA111 not WG111
     

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