6.3d still has short recordings

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  1. Valor55

    Valor55 New Member

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    I'm not using the OTA tuner and it is occurring in SD recordings. It leaves sugestions and deleteable shows alone and just truncates all the new recordings.
     
  2. Wolffpack

    Wolffpack Giddy Up!

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    I have 2 HR10s both running 6.3 and both always 100% full. I've not seen this problem.

    For those that are experiencing this, have you done a C&DE since going to 6.3? I ended up doing a C&DE on both my units since they upgraded. Maybe it's a problem with existing recordings when upgrading to 6.3x. Just a guess but maybe a C&DE after the upgrade resets it's internal space counter.
     
  3. rminsk

    rminsk TiVoted TiVo User

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    C&DE does not fix it.
     
  4. jehremy

    jehremy New Member

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    The problem with this episode was that the CBS affiliate in Los Angeles went down for about 15-20 min. It was not a problem with the Tivo.
     
  5. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    A really good way to conduct yourself on the forums is to:
    1. Post a question
    2. Wait for a reply
    3. Not take the time to read and therefore not really understand the reply, and also not understand the spirit the reply was intended in
    4. Instead, thoughtlessly insult the intelligence of those trying to go out of their way to help you while you reply back, with all of the compassion and bravery it takes while hiding anonymously in the dark behind a keyboard.

    So congratulations, once again. If you didn't like the reply, you could have just ignored it rather than attempting to skewer me for trying to help you.

    You posted a question about programs beginning to record, and then dumping out before the end time occurs. Then, you posited a theory about that being related to the HDD possibly being full, but you were not sure.

    Pardon me for assuming from that, that you might not really have a good handle on how Tivo operates. To help clear your confusion, I posted to explain that if the drive were full no recording would even have even started, because Tivo doesn't simply record until the HDD is full and then stop mid-recording (assuming it is working properly), as some other PVRs do, it calculates the space before the recording time and if it calculates not enough space, doesn't record the program at all. That would tend to make most folks assume that this was not at the heart of the problem.

    Possibly you knew that, but it hardly seemed so from your OP. But then I was not trying to lecture you, I was trying to help you. Was it by invitation? I thought maybe it was, as that is the nature of posting questions here. Was I talking down to you? I didn't really think I was.

    I always thought the ground rules were pretty obvious to those who surf the forums a lot, but maybe not in every case, and so maybe not in your case. Since we don't have a lot to go on with just a couple of posted facts, responders usually try to err on the side of caution and respond just to those facts, assuming that if the facts are a bit wacky, then great understanding of how Tivo operates by that poster is not exactly guaranteed, which is why we try to repond to a questionable post in a positive manner and not embarass someone just because he might have a little less understanding of the subject. There's a way to do that without lording it over the poster or making them feel uncomfortable to post in the future, but it can still be touchy since it still somewhat a blind response with limited knowledge of the OP or what the issue might be. We also often respond in a somewhat global manner rather than in a precisely targeted manner, so that others besides just you can benefit from the conversation. Now if you also think THAT was a lecture, rather than just a neutral clarification, then good luck with all your posts in the future.

    You should probably also have assumed that since I responded at all that I might "know fully" or at least a little bit about the short recording issue, too, and that this is what you were referring to (although for whatever reason, karmic or otherwise, my box still at 6.3a is always full of suggestions and has never had a short recording). In short, you're not exactly dealing with a chimp, here, either.
     
  6. Wolffpack

    Wolffpack Giddy Up!

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    You make a good point TS. The OP wasn't sure his unit was even full at the time of the short recording. If not, then ?????

    As you state, my 2 HR10s (running 6.3b at this time) have not shown this short recording problem. And as with you, I have suggestions turned on and my units are 100% full.

    Now, as another possible answer, for those with this problem is your NPL full of shows you instructed your units to record or is it a mix of suggestions and tagged recorded shows? I have a good 30-40 suggestions on each of mine and don't have this problem.
     
  7. Dssturbo1

    Dssturbo1 New Member

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    I had 2 short recordings last week and several that are starting 2-3 minutes late. The shorted program was Thursday night on a FOX local ota channel and the other shorted program was on a directv channel. Both shorted about 20 minutes.
    I am still on 3.1E.
    No suggestions and hard drive is not full, as I have about 80 SD recordings SUID.
     
  8. Valor55

    Valor55 New Member

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    When I had suggestions on it was a mix of shows that I recorded and suggestions. Many of the shows I had recorded were "expired" with the ! on the icon meaning Tivo would record over them when something new I wanted needed space.

    Technically speaking the Tivo isn't completely out of hard drive space or you're right, it wouldn't begin recording. What it looks like to me is that the Tivo has gotten down to the last several hours of available recording space. Instead of recording over suggestions and expired shows however, it appears to be trying to spread all the recordings over the several hours of space that are left. So it starts recording 6 minutes of a show and then ends. Then it records 6 minutes of the next show and repeat. It looks like it is recording your stuff but when you look they are all partial recordings of 6 minutes (or whatever it has decided.)

    I did a C&DE when this first happened and it didn't fix it. I now have suggestions turned off and as long as I manually cull old stuff and the unit has plenty of recording space everything works fine. If I get behind on that it will start the problem again as it nears the end of the recording space.

    I am unsure why the Tivo won't record over suggestions and old shows.
     
  9. Sven

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    *Sigh* I never had the shortened recordings until now. Seemed to coincide with 6.3d, I now have daily reboots, and I only have about 5 hours of HD season pass content, and 72 items in suggestions, a lot of which are HD, and it deleted a show from a season pass I recorded last night already today. And it only recorded 1/2 of The Daily Show last night.

    I just turned off suggestions and am going to delete all the recorded suggestions. Just for the recorded, the shortened recording was off Comedy Central, a satellite channel. And the recording that was deleted way early was an OTA channel. I'm pretty sure the recording was there last night, I think I remember seeing it. And the Recording History says it was automatically deleted for space. All my stuff was set to delete automatically when space is needed, though the suggestions should have been delete first, which is how it used to work until recently.

    It's too bad, I sometimes watched suggestions, and I will probably miss them a little, but I can just set up more season passes for the things I liked and just keep suggestions off permanently. I'd rather do that then have to play suggestion clean up every day.
     
  10. toms111la

    toms111la New Member

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    I have not had any problems with my unit since the audio drop was fixed. A few weeks ago, I upgraded my Hard Drives from a 250HD and a 300HD to two 500's. I wanted to keep my recordings so I used the method where you copy each drive one at a time and then expand. It worked ok but the unit is either not reporting the number of hours correctly or I didn't get the full advantage of the up grade. It went from 69 hours of HD to 98. I expected it to increase to about 125 hours of HD. Anyway, I have been recording a lot of HD movies trying to find out how much storage I am actually getting. This week I noticed a few recording did not happen and checked the recording history to find that the missed recordings had started but deleted before being completed based on a message that said the space was needed for something else. I deleted some of the HD movies and later recordings worked fine. I have a lot of older content that is available to be deleted. Until I came back to this forum, I was thinking that my problem was caused by the upgrade. Now it seems that others are having a simular problem.
    Is the one I'm having capable of being fixed by forcing a phone call and reboot? Any help would be appreciated. Does anyone have info concerning the incorrect reporting of the number of hours?
     
  11. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trying to jump on you TS, but looking at this I didn't take the OP's "I fully know how it works" statement to be an attempt to "skewer you."

    I will honestly say that when I first saw the exchange I did find it humorous that someone who's been here as long as you have, with as many posts as you do, posted a "TiVo 101" answer to someone who's been here even longer and has more posts (I tend to look at basic stats to help determine if I'm dealing with a newbie or not). Not that anyone should ever assume anything, but if a guy's posted over 5,000 messages in TCF and doesn't know the basics of how a TiVo works, they don't deserve an answer :D

    And again, I can't speak for the OP, but that's not how I took his note.
     
  12. humbland

    humbland New Member

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    Can you point me to a link that explains how to do the upgrade using the "drive expansion" technique you described?
    I also have a 250G and a 300G and would like to go to two 750G drives.
    Thanks.
     
  13. toms111la

    toms111la New Member

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    The best way, which I was not able to accomplish, requires having both the two old and two new drives connected to a PC at the same time and being able to boot up from a CDROM using MFSTool 2.0 here with WeaKnees Large Kernel Support. IF you can do this use, the technique described in the weekknees method should be the best.
    See
    http://tivo.upgrade-instructions.com/index.php
    I tried to make this work a number of ways. I tried adding an old Promise card to a standard PC but was not able to see all of the connected drives after booting up with the CDROM.
    I also tried downloading a bootable 3-1/2” diskette but the one I was able to download did not have large drive support so it didn’t see all the drives in their full size.
    The method I used I found on
    http://www.newreleasesvideo.com/hinsdale-how-to/index9.html
    Go to
    “UPGRADE CONFIGURATION #5:
    From: Any Dual Drive TiVo
    To: New A and New B Drive (replacing both drives)
    (Slow option – preserves setup, season passes, etc. and recordings)”

    I used Option #2) DD Copy / Mfsadd method (requires only 2 available IDE ports):

    This worked fine for me but if I was going to do it again, I would make the following change: I would use the “DD copy” method but only do one drive at a time. In other words, pull one of the drives from your unit and copy all of the contents from that drive to one of your new drives. Then install the new drive into the TIVO with the old drive and make sure it is working ok. At that point you should have all your prior stuff and the TIVO should report the original number of available hours. Then pull both drives (one old and one new) and hook them up to the PC and “expand” the space as shown in the instructions. Then put both of those drives into the TIVO and verify that all is working and that your number of hours increases as expected.

    Then pull the working old drive and use the “DD copy” method to copy the contents of that drive to your other new drive. Now put both new drives into the TIVO and verify that everything is working ok and that it is showing the same number of hours reported last time. Now put both the new drives back into the PC and do the expand thing.

    As I mentioned earlier, everything worked ok for me except the TIVO is only reporting available hours as if I had only replace one of my drives. I think it has a better chance of reporting correctly if only one drive is changed at a time. The best I can tell, I think I am getting all of the space but I am not 100% sure. I did try pulling the drives and going through the expand procedure a second time but I got a message that there was nothing to expand.
     
  14. dshmel

    dshmel New Member

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    Both of my HR10-250's truncated Fox's 24 episode last night. As a back-up, I always record 24 on both units. Last night one ended the show at 53 minutes, the other at 56. Anyone else have this problem last night?
     
  15. cramer

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    This is certainly not a new problem... this has been around since 1.3 BETA on the S1's. That's when Tivo added "undelete" to the code; there was no menu to actually use it for YEARS. When a show is deleted, it's simply removed from now playing. It still exists in every respect. This was also when variable bit rate recording appeared. DTivo's have always been VBR as they record whatever DTV gives them. This means there's no way to know in advance how much space will be needed. So, it allocates space in "15min" chunks when it needs them. The reason recordings abort around the 45min mark is because it cannot find and free space in time. I've seen short recordings +/- 2min of a 15min boundry many times over the years. ('tho rarely with newer (faster) hardware. The DSR6000 will do it a lot if it has an insane amount of space -- it's fine with 120hrs. It should never happen on a stock tivo.)

    I'm sure a lot has changed since then, but the fundamental logic hasn't. Every recording has multiple "recording parts". Even though no DTivo has "undelete", the underlying code is there -- and always has.
     
  16. humbland

    humbland New Member

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    Did you get the "bugs" figured out.
    The cost of 750GB drives keeps dropping.
    I would like a "foolproof" (read "operator error proof") meathod of going from my current set up to 2 x 750GB.
    Thanks.
     
  17. toms111la

    toms111la New Member

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    I think so but not 100% sure yet. First of all, don't do it the way I did. I did preserve all of my recording but I am only getting about 750 gig total. My second drive is still acting like a 250 even though it is also a 500. There is a very good site on this topic that I found only after I did the above posting. Go to http://www.mfslive.org/

    The CDROM that is available to download seems to work much better than the ones I used previously. The moderator there is very knowledgeable and helpful. He showed me how to run a diagnostic on my upgraded setup which showed the problem.
    The topic I started on the forum can be seen at http://www.mfslive.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=145
    The CDROM seems to be a lot better at finding extra devices which will allow all 4 drives to be hooked up at once on a PC using an add on IDE card. I am going to keep using my 750 setup until the two new 500's I ordered come in. Then I am going to try the whole thing from scratch. I'll let you know how it goes.
     
  18. gquiring

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    I had my first short recording this past week. I recorded Marathon Man on HDNet and watched it today, well almost all of it. I have to wait until Wed to find out what happened as the ending was not recorded.
     
  19. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    How full is your hard drive?
     
  20. gquiring

    gquiring New Member

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    5 shows 2 hours each, 2 shows 1 hour each.
     

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