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Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by telemark, May 26, 2014.
Looks like Weaknees has finally broken 6TB
Kind of figured that would be coming after the 20.4.5 update. With that update a Roamio with format a 6TB drive and boot but it only gives you 250 hours of HD recording space. The MFS structure needs to be tweaked to give it the whole 6TB of recording space.
This should work for the S4 line as well if someone comes up with a formatter for the drive.
I didn't have enough spare hardware to sign up for priority list so just got 20.4.5 a couple days ago.
But keeping fingers crossed that's what's been missing.
The Weaknees upgrade inculudes "One 6 TB Western Digital AV Line Hard Drive". Is that going to be a purple?
Extremely likely. Last I saw there's no AV Green in 6TB and there have been other WK upgrades that were Purple.
This picture at Zatz Not Funny! shows it is the PURX drive.
Thanks guys. That is what I thought since I knew the max capacity for the AV-GP is 4TB.
6TB sure would be a nice upgrade! Black Friday sale on 6TB Purple?
For those who may be tempted to take WK using the WD Purple as a reason to buy one for DIY, you'd be better off with a Red. They also go to 6TB and are AV drives (support the ATA AV streaming command set extensions), not that it necessarily matters, since TiVo doesn't use them).
Purple rated workload: 60TB/yr
Red rated workload: 120-140TB/yr
Both drives are for NAS (thus have TLER/ERC, which can be a detriment on a non-RAID controller). But, the Purple is designed specifically for motion-activated surveillance, not true 24x7 (unless you count idle time as 24x7). Since TiVo can't do RAID, you can't just add more drives, to meet the TB/yr workload, as WD expects, if you exceed it with one drive. The rating is per drive.
If you can wait to buy, sales on the Red NAS are frequent, often coming very close to the regular price of a Purple. Obviously, WK is going to go with what they can always get for the lowest cost, to increase their margins, and only cares that the drive last as long as the WK warranty.
I've done the math, and 4-tuner TiVos can easily exceed 60TB/yr, unless you don't record in HD. Don't forget that all tuners are always buffering, which still counts towards this, and 6-tuner TiVos insure there's no (logical) way to not exceed the workload rating.
For telemark's sake, and his thread, I won't go into details about what I found out about, through experience, with TLER/ERC drives, used in TiVos (I use WD Red). It seems to take a "perfect storm" of conditions to bite you, which is why I'm trying to just keep it as a footnote to everything else (and have not stopped using Red drives).
ETA: WD still only considers the AV-GP as the proper drive for non-RAID DVR/PVR use. You will not be able to get assistance from them, if you try to, for other drives. While their warranty terms clearly state the warranty is only valid for intended drives for intended use, getting warranty RMAs for other drives has not yet been reported as an issue (which they could start enforcing, and change that, at any time).
The patched version of DvrBARS (18.104.22.168) is now available using the download link in the original thread. It will prompt you if it doesn't recognize the VHD file as a Series 1 through Series 4 during restores, but you can choose to continue anyway.
Thanks ggieseke. Way to spend your holiday.
I'll add the VHD file to the server if/when jmbach and I have test it.
Unless WD has changed in the last 6 months, you are never are asked how the drive was/is used, just put in the SN and if under warranty say it does not work and do an advanced placement, WD sends out a drive to you with a return shipping label, just put your drive in the same box a ship it back, when they get your return they cr. your credit card. Simple
I bought a new USB-Sata converter, over Black Friday, so Mac support has been tested and works with a modern adapter.
(my old USB-Sata converter still does not work)
Can you share any details to help others know what one isn't working for you, and which one is?
If I was checking within Windows, I think such adapters can disclose what bridge chips are used inside, in the device manager. I assume there must be a Linux way to do the same (But, I don't know Linux very well).
There used to be issues with certain SATA-PATA converters, that wouldn't work on the older TiVos, and the chipset info was discovered and posted for what worked, and what didn't. Of course, not all vendors and resellers are big on divulging what's inside, when making a buying decision (like a Black Friday impulse purchase).
Your statement is true, but we are talking about what, $120 item, if WD gets more stringent on how the drive is used before a warranty replacement can be done, many people will just lie, I sold (at one time) a lot of TiVos on E-Bay, and a very few people, who had buyers remorse, would just lied to get a full refund, I just accepted their lie as would WD as they I or WD can't spent the time or money to go to a home and find out just what happened for this small amount of money (my loss on E-Bay was the shipping cost, about $200 on over $200,000 of sales).
I'm not sure I should recommend anything cause I was buying the cheapest I could find and hoping for the best. Nonetheless they worked for writing up to 4TB. So if that describes what you're looking for:
USB2 $4+$tax ( + $4 shipping )
USB3 $13+$tax ( + $4 shipping )
Support from WD for a drive used in a non approved way is most likely the same type of support you get from TiVo if you upgrade your drive and the CSR sees that, no support , and no warranty return. If the WD diag. returns an error that itself (I think) does not tell WD how the drive was ever used.
I have RMAed about 10 WD drives without problems, and never had to tell them how the drive was used or had to give them a diag. report, but I have had no RMAs in the last two years, so I don't know what problems WD may give me if I needed to RMA a drive now.
I think we are both on the same page, just stated differently.
Good then? If not, I'm going to try to scuttle that discussion into some unknown Hard Drive thread.
Only slightly related, maybe when quoting in reply, the quote should ideally be shorter than the reply.
On the bright side, the full quoting allowed me to pull the posts on my side of the discussion, past my original post on it, and not lose the content, or the context (partial quotes can often skew the context). To (hopefully) keep the admins/mods happy, I used "reason: at OP request".
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Quick question, can Telemark's 4TB tool be used but be adjusted to copy recordings from a 3 TB drive? My 3 TB drive in a Roamio Plus has been filling up and I don't really want to be bothered with managing the my shows list. Are there some commands that can be added to the process that will allow me to copy my 3TB drive data to the 4TB drive while also making the 4 TB usable in a Roamio?