4TB Roamio Image community edition

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by telemark, May 26, 2014.

  1. Dec 1, 2014 #181 of 376
    emerz

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    Quick answer (from post #1)

     
  2. Dec 1, 2014 #182 of 376
    Fofer

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    Thanks for this, I'll be getting one for TiVo drive prepping on my Mac.

    Thank you for this great info, as well. I see Amazon has this Red 4TB drive for $165. The Green version is $142. After reading your advice, I'm thinking I'd feel better spending the extra $23 for peace of mind.
     
  3. Dec 1, 2014 #183 of 376
    gt7610c

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    FWIW, the WD AV-GP green drives are the ones TiVo uses (for cost, performance, heat, whatever). Here is the 4 TB version: WD40EURX
     
  4. Dec 2, 2014 #184 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    I just wrapped up a two-day long search for ANY reference, whatsoever, that the AV-GP in the EURX family has an EOL or "end of life" designation. Aside from the false claims made on TCF, and a few false positives, which closer investigation revealed to be the fault of the search engines, there was none, whatsoever.

    It exists in sizes up to 4TB, in the EURX AV-GP family, as the previous post addressed, thus it has a place in the 4TB DIY thread discussion.

    Newegg doesn't call it EOL, but puts up a banner that says "A newer version of this item is available" & "Click here to find the newer model", which redirects to the PURX Purple drives. This is causing marketplace resellers to also incorrectly make claims the Purple PURX is the newer model, with reports of people paying the price for an AV-GP, and instead getting a Purple (getting fleeced, as the Purple is cheaper to buy, for the reseller, and a profit margin fattener for the likes of Weaknees).

    While the WD40EURX AV-GP (now officially renamed WD "AV", losing the "-GP", as part of the product refresh cycle) drives can be bought from all the major resellers. This will likely cause some confusion. http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/librar...879-800015.pdf

    I did find a few references to the EURS ones being EOL designated, as well as many of the even older ones that would obviously be EOL.

    This same research located many references to compatibility lists for many DVR/PVR/NVR products, which specify AV-GP drives belong in single drive devices, and should not be used in those with RAID capabilities, while the Purple/Red drives are listed as the only acceptable drives for those with RAID capabilities, also stating the AV-GP drives should not be used in them (flat-out stated as incompatible/unsupported).

    I hate starting new threads. But, I truly believe this misinformation, started by Newegg, getting unwarranted validation by WK, and leading to false proclamations of EOL status for EURX AV-GP drives, needs to be addressed, in a manner better than playing TCF whack-a-mole, across many threads.
     
  5. Dec 2, 2014 #185 of 376
    Fofer

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    Hmm. For a Roamio DIY upgrade, should I get the Red WD40EFRX over the Green WD40EZRX? I've looked over so many specs and products my eyes are starting to gloss over.
     
  6. Dec 2, 2014 #186 of 376
    ggieseke

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    The Greens are EZRX, not EFRX. Personally, I'd probably pick the longer warranty and AV rating (even though it isn't used) on the Reds, but many here would disagree.

    Dinking around with wdidle3 to disable Intellipark on the Greens is probably the biggest factor, and if you don't mind doing that it will probably work fine. The current generation of Reds seem to come from the factory with a 300 second default timeout, which shouldn't bother a TiVo during a soft boot.

    I have 2 shiny new 2TB Reds and 5 new 6TB Reds that just arrived a few hours ago. I'll check out the timeouts and update this thread with my results even though nothing over 3TB will auto-format in a TiVo.

    I miss the EURS line. They just worked like a champ no matter what situation you threw them in...
     
  7. Dec 2, 2014 #187 of 376
    Fofer

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    Oops, corrected, thanks! I'll await your next post/report about the Reds. I may just feel more comfortable spending the extra ~$20 to get the Red, all things considered.
     
  8. Dec 3, 2014 #188 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    I already dumped the specifics of the Reds a few posts back, pros and cons.

    I recommend the AV-GP EURX drives for most, for all TiVos (current max size is 4TB).

    If you are an IT person, or might want to have a drive that can easily be used in multiple things, the Red EFRX drive is a good choice, as it outperforms AV-GP when not used in a TiVo. I use Reds in my Roamios myself, even though the TLER function bit me on one drive, requiring I lose everything and zero it out on a PC. Now I know not to trust the SMART values when using a Red in a TiVo, and what one acts like when the TLER prevents uncorrectable read errors from being handled properly, when the host controller doesn't support RAID.

    Both have a 3yr warranty. If you are likely to ever contact WD for support, other than issuance of an RMA, AV-GP is the way to go for TiVos, for most.

    I highly recommend changing out the wall-wart power supply on the base Roamios, to at least 12V 2.5A (for reliability/stability), but not greater than 3.0A (for safety).

    Any further discussion, not related to telemark's 4TB DIY tool, should go into this thread: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=507695
     
  9. Dec 3, 2014 #189 of 376
    rickydee

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    Any chance there will be a DIY for the 6TB drive solution? Or even the 12TB (internal and external) drive that is being offered by WK?
     
  10. Dec 3, 2014 #190 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    If you fund the cost of the drives to test it on, there is a chance. See a post a while back from telemark on requests for larger size support, and a more recent post on how much grief he gets from his family for the time and money he spent to get this far.
     
  11. Dec 3, 2014 #191 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    NEWS: WD renames "AV-GP" line of drives to "AV".

    There are two WD Product SpecSheet PDFs now.

    One PDF is for "AV-GP", which only goes to 3TB.

    The second one is for "AV", includes 4TB, which is the new name for the product refresh cycle. They dropped the "-GP".
    http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-800015.pdf

    I guess "AV" sounds sportier that "AV-GP". This is further proof that they are refreshing the line. I doubt it will bring anything good to the discussions here, likely more confusion, than anything.

    This seemed just relevant enough to post here, since 4TB is only in the "AV" PDF.
     
  12. Dec 3, 2014 #192 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    I created a thread for "NEWS: WD renames "AV-GP" line of drives to "AV"."
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=523424

    Since it will be old news in time, it seems like a great place to just discuss hard drives, when not specific to the subject "4TB Roamio Image community edition", or the other threads where the OP desires things to be short and on-topic.

    @telemark: Let me know what posts you would like removed, as I know you like short, to the point, and on-topic (a bit too much for me to continue in this thread).
     
  13. Dec 4, 2014 #193 of 376
    rhoelzer

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    Worked great. $20 donated
     
  14. Dec 5, 2014 #194 of 376
    telemark

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    Just clarifying, I don't mind the debate myself. That's how we learn. But since it's a support thread, it's wasn't the best for those who were stuck when doing their install and couldn't find the relevant info.

    Much appreciated!

    Good to see.
    Don't worry about it, It's fine as is.

    Find a good deal? Working on the 6TB problem?
     
  15. Dec 5, 2014 #195 of 376
    rickydee

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    Going to go the WK route but still happy to contribute in some way to the cause.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2014 #196 of 376
    Dssguy1

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    I'm donating because I am excited about a 6TB option! Hopefully others will donate some money to keep you going!

    $25 Donated

    Also, just to clarify, we should be getting the WD Red version 6TB drive?

    WD60EFRX


    If we see a good deal, should we bite or do you think there is a good chance things won't work out?
     
  17. Dec 6, 2014 #197 of 376
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    I did the update last night, it was really easy, thank you telemark. I do have a few questions though as my output does not display what others have that I have seen.

    I booted the drive in Roamio and completed guided setup to the menu. Had 237 hours of recording capacity.

    Removed drive, connected to computer, booted Knoppix live CD and ran the commands, the output in Terminal did not look right so I ran the commands again, same output. Put the drive back in the Roamio and completed guided setup once again and had 637 hours of recording capacity so it appears to have worked right but I just want to make sure this isn't something I need to worry about failing. The partition tables are what looks different to me from other outputs I have seen. I used a WD40EFRX.

    Code:
    knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ wget "http://tiny.cc/c6r5gxA/autoinstall.pl"
    --2014-12-06 01:40:00--  http://tiny.cc/c6r5gxA/autoinstall.pl
    Resolving tiny.cc (tiny.cc)... 192.241.240.89
    Connecting to tiny.cc (tiny.cc)|192.241.240.89|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
    Location: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/autoinstall.pl [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:00--  http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/autoinstall.pl
    Resolving dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)... 23.21.216.250, 54.235.163.202, 54.225.174.94, ...
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.21.216.250|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Location: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/autoinstall.pl [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:01--  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/autoinstall.pl
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.21.216.250|:443... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 4322 (4.2K) [text/x-perl]
    Saving to: `autoinstall.pl'
    
    100%[============================================================================================================================>] 4,322       --.-K/s   in 0s      
    
    2014-12-06 01:40:02 (103 MB/s) - `autoinstall.pl' saved [4322/4322]
    
    knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ chmod +x autoinstall.pl
    knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo ./autoinstall.pl
    ls: cannot access /dev/hd?: No such file or directory
    sda:
    [    4.728674] UDF-fs: warning (device sda): udf_fill_super: No partition found (2)
    [    6.767950] UDF-fs: warning (device sda): udf_fill_super: No partition found (2)
    4096 bytes received - [ Roamio ] - 
    
    sdb:
    [    6.118745] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] 15646720 512-byte logical blocks: (8.01 GB/7.46 GiB)
    [    6.122366] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
    [    6.122371] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
    [    6.125991] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
    [    6.125995] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
    [    6.136627]  sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb4
    [    6.144867] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
    [    6.822615] UDF-fs: warning (device sdb): udf_fill_super: No partition found (2)
    4096 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sdc:
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sdd:
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sde:
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sdf:
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sdg:
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    sdh:
    [    4.690448] sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver
    [    4.690450] sdhci: Copyright(c) Pierre Ossman
    [    4.690773] sdhci-pltfm: SDHCI platform and OF driver helper
    0 bytes received - rejected - 
    
    Target Drive /dev/sda found
    
    Testing /dev/sda
    Reading mid sector 488377323
    dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 skip=488377323 of=/dev/null 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.0183813 s, 223 kB/s
     - PASSED - 
    Backing up mid sector 488377323
    dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 skip=488377323 of=/tmp/dd-test.bin 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.000215479 s, 19.0 MB/s
     - PASSED - 
    Writing mid sector 488377323
    dd of=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 seek=488377323 if=/tmp/dd-test.bin 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.000389254 s, 10.5 MB/s
     - PASSED - 
    Reading last sector 976754645
    dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 skip=976754645 of=/dev/null 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.0045609 s, 898 kB/s
     - PASSED - 
    Backing up last sector 976754645
    dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 skip=976754645 of=/tmp/dd-test.bin 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.00018579 s, 22.0 MB/s
     - PASSED - 
    Writing last sector 976754645
    dd of=/dev/sda bs=4096 count=1 seek=976754645 if=/tmp/dd-test.bin 
    1+0 records in
    1+0 records out
    4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.00327038 s, 1.3 MB/s
     - PASSED - 
    
    Downloading image
    --2014-12-06 01:40:39--  http://tiny.cc/y8r5gx
    Resolving tiny.cc (tiny.cc)... 192.241.240.89
    Connecting to tiny.cc (tiny.cc)|192.241.240.89|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
    Location: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/4TBr1.tgz [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:39--  http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/4TBr1.tgz
    Resolving dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)... 23.23.244.164, 23.23.205.210, 23.21.160.18, ...
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.23.244.164|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Location: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/4TBr1.tgz [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:39--  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/4TBr1.tgz
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.23.244.164|:443... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 41443 (40K) [application/x-gtar]
    Saving to: `4TBr1.tgz'
    
    100%[============================================================================================================================>] 41,443      --.-K/s   in 0.03s   
    
    2014-12-06 01:40:40 (1.38 MB/s) - `4TBr1.tgz' saved [41443/41443]
    
    --2014-12-06 01:40:40--  http://tiny.cc/y8r5gxH
    Resolving tiny.cc (tiny.cc)... 192.241.240.89
    Connecting to tiny.cc (tiny.cc)|192.241.240.89|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
    Location: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/HASHES.txt [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:40--  http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/HASHES.txt
    Resolving dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)... 23.21.45.60, 23.23.98.72, 23.23.161.172, ...
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.21.45.60|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Cookie coming from dl.dropboxusercontent.com attempted to set domain to dl.dropboxusercontent.com
    Location: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/HASHES.txt [following]
    --2014-12-06 01:40:40--  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51278/Tivo/4TB/HASHES.txt
    Connecting to dl.dropboxusercontent.com (dl.dropboxusercontent.com)|23.21.45.60|:443... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 135 [text/plain]
    Saving to: `HASHES.txt'
    
    100%[============================================================================================================================>] 135         --.-K/s   in 0s      
    
    2014-12-06 01:40:41 (3.47 MB/s) - `HASHES.txt' saved [135/135]
    
    
    Locating verifier
    /usr/bin/md5sum
    Checking hash
    3b0b8870d20d329a190423fd152da20d ? 3b0b8870d20d329a190423fd152da20d  /tmp/roamio-img/4TBr1.tgz
     - PASSED - 
    
    Extracting
    4TBr1/
    4TBr1/README.txt
    4TBr1/mid_3900907584.bin.gz
    4TBr1/bin/
    4TBr1/beg_0.bin.gz
    4TBr1/install.sh
    4TBr1/INSTALL.txt
    4TBr1/end_7814016688.bin.gz
    4TBr1/bin/bpatch
    4TBr1/bin/random16r1
     - PASSED - 
    
    Viewing License Terms:
    Image and Installer, Copyright 2014, telemark of tivocommunity.com
    License granted for personal use within a single household.
    Commercial use or redistribution prohibited, without prior permission and license.
    
    Image has been tested by some community members, but
    NO warranty is provided.
    Some support may be found on the forums.
    
    To support future projects:
    Financial or Hardware donations encouraged.
    
    Version r1, June 7th, 2014
    
    Proceed to permanently overwrite /dev/sda ( yes / no ) ?
    yes
    Starting install.sh /dev/sda 4096
    Countdown to Erasing /dev/sda
    20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 
    16 @ 304
    Trying 'gunzip -c end_7814016688.bin.gz | dd bs=4096 seek=976752086 of=/dev/sda'
    2560+0 records in
    2560+0 records out
    10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 0.217955 s, 48.1 MB/s
    Trying 'gunzip -c mid_3900907584.bin.gz | dd bs=4096 seek=487613448 of=/dev/sda'
    1527758+0 records in
    1527758+0 records out
    6257696768 bytes (6.3 GB) copied, 56.0591 s, 112 MB/s
    Trying 'cat    beg_0.bin             | dd bs=4096 seek=0 of=/dev/sda'
    8+0 records in
    8+0 records out
    32768 bytes (33 kB) copied, 0.000374798 s, 87.4 MB/s
    No Errors Reported
    knoppix@Microknoppix:~$ sudo ./autoinstall.pl
    ls: cannot access /dev/hd?: No such file or directory
    sda:
    [    4.728674] UDF-fs: warning (device sda): udf_fill_super: No partition found (2)
    [    6.767950] UDF-fs: warning (device sda): udf_fill_super: No partition found (2)
    [   85.511455]  sda: unknown partition table
    [  180.535360]  sda: unknown partition table
    [  236.597189]  sda: unknown partition table
    [  236.688509]  sda: unknown partition table
    4096 bytes received - [ Roamio ] - 
    
    
     
  18. Dec 6, 2014 #198 of 376
    telemark

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    Is that output text from the first (237) or second (637) attempt?

    I don't see anything wrong except maybe that it was run twice (probably ok though). And the drive description is missing for some reason. There are a few harmless reasons that could happen and a few alarming reasons as well. It could just be you used a different distro than others.

    If you're concerned, you can test the drive on the PC to give peace of mind. Once you're convinced the drive is fully functional, then do the rewrite process again.

    The warnings of unknown partition map are expected. Only custom built kernels can understand Tivo partition maps, and I don't know of anyone who uses one for Roamio.
    What do you think looks different?
     
  19. Dec 6, 2014 #199 of 376
    telemark

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    I'm going to have to close that offer now. I've already sucked it up and sunk $1k+ into 6TB drives.

    Thank you, that's kind. One clarification, I'm not sure I should request donations for the 6TB like the 4TB cause that didn't really look like it worked out, and so it's not as likely I would release a 6TB image in the same manner.

    And I can't even make any concrete decisions/announcements on that until it's actually working.

    So I can't really safely make safe suggestions except that someone else has done it before so it's possible somehow. And once I get it working, the first thing I'm going to do is sell the drives I have stocked up. And if I ever make a public imager, it'll be the last thing I get to because it's extra steps.

    On the plus side, what I consider reasonable and what WK considers reasonable are totally different.

    On drive types, this is my crib sheet.
    Green: cheapest yet works, 2 yr warranty
    Red: perhaps better built equals longer life, 3 yr warranty
    Purple: you like to follow what WK does, 3 yr warranty
    AV-GP: you like to follow what Tivo does. but N/A in 6TB, yet is available in 4TB, 3 yr warranty

    PS. and then I read the other posts for more details that I can't remember, as demonstrated below.
     
  20. Dec 6, 2014 #200 of 376
    nooneuknow

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    ...and unless/until the day comes that we see a WD "AV", formerly known as "AV-GP" drive (the currently EURX drives), larger than 4TB, they won't be on this list. Just to head to head off inquiries on the missing contender.

    Might want to specify the green in the list is the EZRX model, and non-AV/AV-GP.

    Might want to note the Red is also an AV drive, while the Purple PURX is a cheaper, lower workload (TB/yr) rated, "new product" built from the foundations of the Red EFRX. But, also has a 3yr warranty, although lacking the designated premium Red EFRX support hotline/portal.

    While the Purple PURX is a "24x7" drive, WD has supposedly designed it to spend more time with the heads parked, and platters spinning (Idle Mode 3), than any other AV drive. It's primary target market is motion-activated camera environments, where it can quickly handle bursts of many cameras, without losing a single frame in the process of coming out of Idle Mode 3.

    While I know you don't want hard drive debate here, I can't help but to say that I see the Purple as being one of the last drives I'd put in a TiVo (if I had to go cheap, or go home, I might just go plain green "EZRX").
     

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