4 Lights Flashing on Bolt

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  1. Apr 3, 2020 #541 of 592
    Mikeguy

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    If you decide that you want to replace the drive and want to go internal, note a killer price for a well-regarded Toshiba 2TB 2.5" drive ($49.99), via Amazon.com. The 3TB version can be found from the electronics, etc. company Grooves in the UK (free int'l shipping), at about double that. Info.: Bolt Hard Drive Upgrade Choice.
     
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  2. teeitup

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    I just got a replacement Bolt Vox 3TB for my failed Bolt+ (four flashing lights). Manufacture date said March 2020 on the bottom. At first I was thinking it was a new box but closer examination I could see dust on the fan blades and some old pry marks the bottom base panel of the case cover. The top of the case looked brand new. I pulled the cover and there was obvious evidence the hard drive had been replaced. Pretty sure when Tivo refurbishes these boxes they just replace the hard drive and put a new top case cover and slap a new sticker on the bottom with a new “renewed” TSN and date.
     
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    Rawson819

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    Another one bites the dust! :disrelieved:
    My replacement Bolt almost lasted 16 months, which is even worse than the one it replaced. TiVo didn’t charge me last time but I have low expectations of that happening again. Accordingly, if their replacement offer exceeds $100, I’m thinking I’ll replace the drive and was curious to confirm if I can replace the current 3TB with a 2TB without a problem.
     
  4. Oct 3, 2020 #544 of 592
    rcoates777

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    Are you using any aux cooling fans? What temps do you see in diagnostics? Let us know what they offer you for replacement cost. Good luck!
     
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    Rawson819

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    I’m not using any external cooling fans; however, I did elevate the unit from the sides to allow increased airflow. I’m not certain how to access diagnostic info, but I unplugged it, as I couldn’t handle the flashing four anymore.
     
  6. Oct 3, 2020 #546 of 592
    fis

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    Should not be a problem at all.
    Everybody's experience is different, but I am glad to have gone with an external 3.5" drive that is connected only to a power source and not trapped in an enclosure of any kind. I also left the cover off the Bolt. I recognize that this is ungainly ugly (my stuff is all hidden out of site), but it stands to reason that tiny components in tiny enclosures carry higher risk.
    Anyway, you can replace with any size HD. Just know that if it's over 2TB there's some extra formatting you have to do (well documented here). WD Red highly recommended.
     
  7. Oct 3, 2020 #547 of 592
    Rawson819

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    Thanks fis! Maybe I’ll do some more reading on the external option before purchasing that internal.
     
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    A J Ricaud

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    Actually, no formatting is required for up to 3TB drives.
     
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    shwru980r

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    I read on this forum that TE4 can format a drive up to 14TB.
     
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    fis

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    Thank you I'd forgotten. I am running a 3.5" WD Red 4TB so I had to do the formatting but it was easy.

    (My previous drive was a 2.5" Toshiba and it failed after 6 months, but this 3.5" WD Red is going on 3 years old and running smooth)
     
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  11. Rawson819

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    I finally got to calling and was offered a $99 replacement for a refurbished 2TB Bolt. I didn’t take it, as I feel like this is going to be an annual thing unless I try something different. So, I think I’m going to proceed on the external drive suggestion.
     
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  12. shwru980r

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    Are you sure it wasn't a 2TB Edge? Tivo never made a 2TB Bolt. The Edge is the latest model and the 2TB drives don't have the issues that the 3TB bolt drives had.
     
  13. Rawson819

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    When I asked if I’d be receiving the same unit as a replacement, I’m fairly certain she said it was 2TB, but I struggled to understand much of what was said. I’ll call back and confirm the model. Thanks for pointing this out.
     
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  14. aaronwt

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    You could always get a 2TB drive instead. FOr less than the $99.
    I plan on picking one up to put in my Bolt on FiOS. I need the 1TB back that I put in there. Because it came from my PS4 pro that I removed in 2016. And I plan on trading in my PS4 pro soon. The 2TB hybrid drive I put in the Pro has SMR so I'm not sure what I will use it for. Although I guess I could try it in the Bolt.
     
  15. Rawson819

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    Totally agree and that was my first inclination; however, the writing seems to be on the wall that this will be an annual exercise. So I’m leaning more towards other options that have greater longevity, whether that be the external drive setup or an Edge; although the more I think about it, the less I believe TiVo will replace my Bolt with a $99 Edge. I’ll find out later today.
     
  16. shwru980r

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    Other posts indicated that Tivo did not have any more Bolts in stock and were replacing Bolts with an Edge.
     
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  17. tommage1

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    Not anymore. New naming policy at WD. WD Red is now SMR. Which is not only not recommended for Tivo it should be avoided. You need a Red Plus, or a Red Pro. This is a fairly new, old stock, used etc will be different. But DO NOT buy a Red whose model number ends in EFAX. Stick with Purple (has AV firmware, not NAS), for now at least all Purple are CMR.

    Oh, Red Pro is 7200 RPM, for some purposes good but not really recommended for Tivo as it will run hotter. Expensive too, if you insist on WD NAS model go with the Red Plus. If Seagate the Ironwolf, all Ironwolf are CMR, they do not make any SMR NAS drives. Or again go with the AV drive, Seagate is called Skyhawk I think.
     
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  18. Rawson819

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    You were right! The replacement offer was for a 2TB Edge and therefore I went ahead and pulled the trigger on it. I did think the external setup on the Bolt sounded like a fun project; however, after pricing drives and enclosures I thought the $99 sounded reasonable. Thanks for your response which encouraged me to clarify this wasn’t another Bolt!

    Having owned a variety models over the years, I’ve never messed with drives until I had a problem or if zI wanted to later increase recording hours. With this Edge I think I’ll go ahead and get another drive right away and set the factory one aside for a backup.
     
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  19. tommage1

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    Maybe consider the external with 3.5" for your backup. Or to use as your current drive. One thing to think about though, there is really no such thing as a "backup" drive possible with Bolt or Edge. If by backup you mean something with recordings/settings. If by backup you just mean a drive you can drop in if your current drive fails that would work. But every time you swap drives around in a Bolt or Edge you lose all recordings/settings on BOTH drives, even if you don't touch the drive you are pulling and setting aside. Has to do with some settings and OS on flash drive on the motherboard. Two "drives" being used really, the hard drive and the flash drive, only the hard drive is replaceable. And when you power up an Edge or Bolt the flash drive always expects to see the last drive that was in there. If not, it will try to format it. A BIT more complicated than that, there are threads that explain what happens when you swap drives better than this.
     
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  20. tommage1

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    If going with external 3.5 CMR drive hopefully 3-5 years or more. Internal 2.5, especially if SMR, could be annual or a bit more. Edge and Bolt probably the same, if using 2.5 drive.
     

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