4 Lights Flashing on Bolt

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  1. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    But please note that as sfhub mentioned, MFSR only realigns an existing TiVo formatted drive so you have to get the TiVo to recognize the drive first and put an initial format on it before using it.

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  2. fis

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    Thank you.
     
  3. fis

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    Update: FWIW I had to call Toshiba for support on this model hard drive (no online RMA requests for model MQ03ABB300). They are processing an RMA but as member sfhub pointed out, Toshiba does NOT send replacements. In fact, they don't even issue a refund. I will be getting some yet-to-be determined amount on a VISA card, not to exceed the original purchase price, which will be based on their "market value assessment" of the drive. Not a great policy, particularly given that this model drive is selling for about 15% more than I paid earlier this year.

    Which puts me back where I was 6 months ago, trying to decided which drive to buy. I sprung for the Toshiba because it seemed like the foolproof option at the time...
     
  4. aaronwt

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    What about the WD drive? It's only 2TB but at least it's an option. That is what I will be purchasing if/when my 4TB Seagate dies in my Bolt. The other 4TB drive died a few weeks ago and I just put back in the 500GB WD AV drive.
     
  5. fis

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    I was focused on 3TB+, so I guess I never considered it (which one is it?). At this point, is that considered the only sure thing for stability in a Tivo Bolt?

    OR is running an external drive the more stable option (Mine's in a cabinet, so I could do that -- don't even need to keep the cover attached).

    Or is there no such thing as a sure thing?
     
  6. pj1983

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    I'm working on a dead Bolt and noticed the same thing; did a search here and your post is the only one I could find that mentioned the odd flash pattern. Does anyone know if there is some significance to the flash pattern?

    By comparison, the engine control computer on the old Chryslers (pre-OBD II) I work on for "fun" can tell you what it thinks a given problem is with a series of flashes on the "power loss" light. That's the sort of coding I'm looking for here.
     
  7. Nov 1, 2017 #347 of 598
    krazyboy13

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    So I just had the dreaded 4 flashing lights happen to me. I am using the same setup as OP.
    STDR4000100 hard drive that was bought new and installed using the russ walker method to allow it to function as the full 4tb. I got the bolt about a month ago, and it was working fine until this. I can even get it to boot up at all now- it gives the single green light for a few seconds and then goes to all 4 flashing. Has this happened to anyone recently? Not looking forward to digging through 18 forum pages for answers but looks like that is what I'll be doing.
     
  8. Nov 1, 2017 #348 of 598
    atmuscarella

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    Ya that is a SMR drive that the forum has been warning against using. Many fail, yours seems to have been faster than most. That is what the flashing lights are telling you. There are no recommend 2.5 inch drives over 3TB.

    Basically drives using SMR tech are designed for storage, not the continuous writing that DVRs do.

    At this point there is a 2TB WD drive and a 3TB Toshiba that people are using. There have been some reported failures with the 3TB Toshiba, but hard to tell if they were just unlucky or if there are also issues with that drive.

    Some people have removed the 2.5 inch drive and ran a SATA cable from the mother board to an external 3.5 inch drive you also have to use an external power sourse.
     
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    krazyboy13

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    Thanks. I pulled the 4tb drive and popped in the original 500gb one. It booted right up and instantly starting installing an update. Im hopeful that once it installs, I will be able to put the 4tb back in without any issues at least till the next update. Guess we will see. Of course Russ updated his website with more reliable drives for the bolt on 9/25/17, like 3 days after i installed mine, just my luck.

    So if its the drive tech that is the issue, then i guess reformatting to fat32 and letting tivo then install it without running the MFS reformat tool (ie tivo will format it to tivo drive but only let it function as a 3tb drive) will not fix this issue? I'm curious as I have not found a post where someone tried this and figure it's worth a shot.
     
  10. Nov 1, 2017 #350 of 598
    krazyboy13

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    No dice. getting the lights with the 4tb :(
     
  11. Nov 1, 2017 #351 of 598
    atmuscarella

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    Ya it is very likely dead. I do not remember anyone having success reviving one.
     
  12. Nov 1, 2017 #352 of 598
    krazyboy13

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    Seems like it. My PC wont even recognize that it is plugged in. Thought id be able to reformat and at least have a 4tb backup drive for my PC.

    From Russ' update, "The current recommended model, in terms of cost, is a Seagate ST2000LM015 for 2TB and a Seagate ST4000LM024 for 4TB. "

    I guess go with one of these?
     
  13. Nov 1, 2017 #353 of 598
    aaronwt

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    Seagate uses SMR for even the lower size drives. And SMR is what the 4TB drive used. Which is what you want to stay away from.

    That is why if/when my last 4TB Seagate drive dies in my Bolt, I will be replacing it with a WD 2TB drive which uses PMR. And then there is the Toshiba 3TB drive as an option too which should also be using PMR.
     
  14. Nov 1, 2017 #354 of 598
    krazyboy13

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    Thanks for the quick responses! Once you get up to 4tb, does WD tend to switch to SMR too?

    The toshiba is $130 on macsales.com. I've seen some posts in this thread saying that the 3tb toshiba died on them. IDK. At this point, maybe I should have just shelled out for the tivo unit with increased storage.
     
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    fis

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    I tried that with my Toshiba 3TB. No dice. Still got the 4 flashing lights. I RMA'd the drive back to Toshiba (it was just 6 months old) and I reinstalled the original 500MB drive (which worked but I'm getting wonky behavior since resetting -- can't access apps, OnePasses aren't working). Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out what the most reliable alternative is. Seems the choices are to try another 3TB Toshiba, switch to the 2TB WD, or connect an external 3.5" media rated SATA drive. I would happily choose whichever path is most reliable (regardless of size/capacity) but there doesn't seem to be a consensus :(.
     
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    fis

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    Yes, I am one of those people, and I am wondering the same thing. My logic was 1) Why worry about the Bolt warranty when I can replace the Bolt 3 times for the money I've saved, and 2) The Toshiba has a 3 year warranty itself (plus another year from my credit card). However if the Bolt's just going to reject an otherwise perfectly good drive every 6 months then what a hassle!
     
  17. Nov 2, 2017 #357 of 598
    Ajkimmins

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    So after reading the first page and skipping to the back here, I'm assuming the Morse code from the lights is a bad hdd? Mine's a two year old bolt with the original 500gb drive.
     
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    fis

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    Yes, that seems likely. Haven't heard a lot from folks who had this happen with the original drive. Perhaps those of us who installed our own should take some comfort from that? Or perhaps Tivo developers need to find the bug in their own software that's rendering their devices inoperable.
     
  19. tivobw

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    I used the Seagate 4TB, 2.5" drive before and it worked great for about a year, then crapped out with the four flashing lights death march. Talk about a bummer. Lost all our recordings. My wife wanted to take a hammer to the Tivo.

    I ended up going with a WD Red 4TB placed in an external enclosure; works good and it's been reliable. I miss having everything self-contained within the Tivo, but since the Tivo doesn't get moved much, it isn't a big deal I guess.
     
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  20. tivobw

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    I strongly recommend against ANY Seagate hard drive for Tivo use. They have changed to a cheaper techonology which does not work well in Tivos or anything else with 24x7x365 usage requirements. My former Seagate 2.5" failed after about a year and I've seen many others fail as recounted here on the forums.. enough for me to never, ever use a Seagate in my Tivo. I'll stick with Western Digital.
     

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