4 Digit Sky radio channels - Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by scoopuk, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. mrtickle

    mrtickle Active Member

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    I noticed that the radio 5 coverage of qualifying was in the same Season Pass as the ITV series. Quite strange but for you to miss the TV showing the guide data would have to be wrong (with same Ep IDs for TV and Radio) AND you'd have to have the radio series above the TV series in the SP manager. Ie you'd've previously indicated to TiVo that you wanted radio first in the event of a clash!

    (ok not quite true - if another TV programme clashed with TV F1 then the radio SP would then get the chance to step in and get used - but in that scenario without the radio series you'd've got no F1 at all).
     
  2. Nov 7, 2005 #102 of 271
    mrtickle

    mrtickle Active Member

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    Just seen this posted to uk.tech.tv.sky . No source was given but I haven't a reason to doubt it.

    This means they won't rearrange the radio channels either until next year.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2005 #103 of 271
    kitschcamp

    kitschcamp Tweaked and poked

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    At a guess a chance of a major muck up in the run up to Christmas, when they have major competition from Freeview now, and a promise of 8m subscribers by Christmas may have told them to wait till the new year...
     
  4. Nov 7, 2005 #104 of 271
    Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    Perhaps Sky have decided to go to full four digit channel numbers in one step rather than two?

    Stage 1 was to permit devices to at least record TV programs e.g. Philips DVD Recorders with Guide+ and Tivo.

    By next year all vendors would have time to update (where possible) their products to handle four digit channels.

    Just a guess of course.

    Automan.
     
  5. steveroe

    steveroe Must do some work...

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    From sky digital online

    This will introduce 4 digit radio channels, see here for a list

    I've got a bit lost about where we are with this, has a viable fix/workaround been produced?
     
  6. GarySargent

    GarySargent New Member

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    Current situation as far as TiVo is concerned...

    TiVo can setup a dual channel platform that has the radio channels on a second tuner via RF, and which has IR codes that prepend a zero. Requires going through guided setup to change the setup. This is running on one of my TiVo's now but is only as a test - doesn't have a proper radio lineup. Still it proves it works.

    I have an unofficial BASH shell hack which then converts this second tuner from pointing to the SCART instead of the RF tuner, so you can then record radio channels in stereo.

    Only issue is the TiVo guide will list the channels like this:

    101 BBC1
    101 BBCRadio1
    102 BBC2
    102 BBCRadio2
    103 ITV
    103 BBCRadio3
    etc

    Pressing channel up from BBC1 goes to Radio1 not BBC2.
     
  7. b166er

    b166er New Member

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    Am I right in thinking that it only affects TiVo users in so much as we aren't able to change to, or set a recording for a radio channel? All regular TV operation will remain unaffected ?
     
  8. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    It will not alter tv oeration - and the addition of the radio channels is optional.

    There is a working system on test - but nothing will go live until the EPG changes which are still at least six weeks away.
     
  9. Ollie

    Ollie New Member

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    How does that work, please? My TiVo will only let me select Sky for one input; the other one has to be NTL, FreeView, or HomeChoice.
     
  10. sanderton

    sanderton TiVoer since 11/2000

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    The option doesn't exist yet.
     
  11. GarySargent

    GarySargent New Member

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    Actually it does, you just don't know how to access it :D

    The plan is to make it available to all just before Sky make the change to their channel line up.
     
  12. sfalvey

    sfalvey Long time lurker

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    So if the work around is to pretend you have 2 sources 1 -Sky Tv. 2 - Sky Radio then I guess that means that if you currently have Sky+Freeview then you you are out of luck.

    Sky + Freeview wont be a supported config if you have Sky radio enabled as well correct????

    I can see a time when we get TV channels ending up in the 1xxx range which will mean this work around wont extend if as I suspect it would require yet another program source to send the '1' before the channel number.

    Come on how about a real fix to the problem! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
     
  13. mini__me

    mini__me New Member

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    TiVo already supports 1xxx channels but not with a leading 0!

    Does this new work around have anything to do with the 'Sat' that has appeared at channel 10 in the guide?

    That seems to send 010 then 10 a few seconds later IIRC from last afternoon...
     
  14. sfalvey

    sfalvey Long time lurker

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    No it doesn't. It supports 3 digit channels only 1xxx implies 4 digits.
     
  15. GarySargent

    GarySargent New Member

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    TiVo does support four digit channels, and channel numbers between 1000 and 9999 will work just fine.

    It is specifically four-digit channel numbers which start with a zero that cause a problem.
     
  16. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    Nothing to do with it - it looks as if you have set up a manual channel 10 on the SCART.
     
  17. mini__me

    mini__me New Member

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    I don't remember doing that....when I get home I'll check out my boxes to see if it's on them all....

    Interesting that it does a distinct 010 then waits at least 10 seconds and then 10...from memory.....I'll post later extactly what it does!

    It's doing this on the sky box it does not attempt to do it through the internal tuner, btw.
     
  18. bradleyem

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    Well, it's confirmed now (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28385.html) for the 28th Feb, including the 4 digit radio channels. Are we all set to go, or do I book Sky+ for 27th?


    As an aside, some of the channel numberings are a bit disappointing - channels like More4 and More4+1 and UKG2 and UKG2+1 still aren't next to each other, and there's few gaps between the channels for additions.
     
  19. JudyB

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    I'm confused. Will this really help very much or does the Sky+ EPG contain better listings data than the Sky EPG?

    Unless I'm missing something the EPG changes will only affect your ability to record, or change channel to, the radio channels. The last time I looked, the Sky EPG data for Radio 4 was virtually non-existent - only showing the current programme. If the Sky+ EPG has the same issues, doesn't that mean that you still won't be able to set up recordings for the radio channels?

    P.S. I had to edit out the link from your post due to the spam-abuse restrictions imposed on me...
     
  20. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    Sky+ EPG is non-existant for radio.

    The Now & Next banner only carries the 'now' programme.
     

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