4 Digit Sky radio channels - Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by scoopuk, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. Sep 13, 2005 #61 of 271
    csansbury

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    It shouldn't matter. Those that have paid for a lifetime subscription have done just that, and shouldn't be expecting a lesser service because the money isn't coming out their bank account every month.
     
  2. Sep 13, 2005 #62 of 271
    GarySargent

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    So basically you aren't interested in any evidence, you just want to whinge about the matter as per normal? I've yet to see you add anything of value back to the forum.

    The outcome of the poll will in no way affect TiVo's decision on anything as they have the full figures before them! It is for our information only.
     
  3. Sep 13, 2005 #63 of 271
    Captain Scarlet

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    Gary,

    I'm not in favour of holding a poll amongst a tiny group who will almost certainly be wholly unrepresentative of Tivo users as a whole because of the reasons why they bought a Tivo and when they bought it.

    I am in favour of us getting the actual numbers on lifetime subs versus monthly subs from Tivo or Sky if they are willing to disclose the information.

    I think your personal attack on me is not very fair. Is this another of those forums where people who make posts that dare to disagree with the views of the forum moderator are excluded. I have never used profanity or 4 letter words. Just expressing an opposite point of view to the Tivo Cognoscenti seems not to be allowed.

    I have suggested all uk Tivo users who want the software upgrade could pay for it. Wouldn't it be more valuable to hold a forum poll on user opinion on that issue? Isn't that a valuable suggestion or do you get to decide what is valuable and what isn't?

    I also have provided quite a lot of data on how a Tivo with 500gb hard drive and 690 recordings behaves. Isn't that valuable to other forum users who might want to do a big hard drive upgrade.

    I'm sorry that I haven't yet developed any of my own Tivo hacks. Is that now a pre-requisite for membership of this forum?
     
  4. Sep 13, 2005 #64 of 271
    iankb

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    Has a poll ever been run to find out many people actually record the radio channels? Though I hate to be thought of as normal, I never (intentionally) record the radio channels, and I wonder how strong the £10/month lobby is when reduced to just those who do.
     
  5. Sep 13, 2005 #65 of 271
    Captain Scarlet

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    It looks like my suggestion of 7,000 paying monthly subscribers is a reasonable one then. As the uk sub costs more than it does in the USA and so uk lifetime is better value its hardly surprising more people have gone for it. My expectation would be that 95% of people who don't go lifetime in the first 6 months never go lifetime.

    Of course more people with pay monthly subs are likely to discontinue using their Tivo boxes due to the high ongoing costs.
     
  6. Sep 13, 2005 #66 of 271
    Captain Scarlet

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    I record a far, far smaller number of radio programs than tv programs (as in 1:30 or something) but for those that I do want to record it is a very useful feature (the recent Hitchhikers Guide to the Glaxy radio run being a case in point).

    I have a Roberts RD1 DAB radio but its so called recording facilities are to be frank utterly useless as they are restricted to only storing one recording and are totally unreliable for that one recording.
     
  7. Sep 13, 2005 #67 of 271
    Captain Scarlet

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    Gary, Stuart and also Tivo's argument is that this does matter because if enough people aren't paying a monthly sub it isn't a commercially viable proposition to update the software, as there isn't the revenue stream to support it. Hence my suggestion that we could pay for the software upgrade if necessary.

    Anyone who paid £200 for a lifetime sub in late 2000 has only been paying Tivo £3.50 a month at this point in time (declining by the month) and the £200 lump sum has long ago been spent by Tivo.
     
  8. Sep 13, 2005 #68 of 271
    GarySargent

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    I've split out this discussion thread from the thread that was originally being used to try and solve the technical problems 4 digit channels bring via a hack. That thread is here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=233080

    Lets keep the discussion and technical matters separated so the threads make more sense. I've split the original thread as best I could.

    I've also moved the discussion in the poll thread that should be in this one - please keep threads on topic. The poll is just a general poll, and we can infer things in here about it with regards to the 4 digit issue.
     
  9. Sep 13, 2005 #69 of 271
    sanderton

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    Make up your mind! :)

    Anyone can create a poll BTW, so go ahead!

    Since you set out to "sabotage" a poll Gary had set up, I think he's been exceedingly restrained!
     
  10. Sep 13, 2005 #70 of 271
    mjk

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    One of my TiVos (the unexpanded one) is pretty much dedicated to solely recording radio. If you turn the video bit rate for Basic Mode right down, a 40Mb TiVo can record a LOT of audio.
     
  11. Sep 13, 2005 #71 of 271
    Raisltin Majere

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    What a truly arrogant, elitist person you are. I don't think it's a question of intelligence or mathematical ability to follow a list of instructions to change a drive or add a hack. Or to come here and ask questions from the real experts.

    I don't have the knowledge to do any of these things on my own and am eternally grateful to the members of this forum who are always willing to help. But I don't pretend I'm as knowledgable on *this* subject as them just because I can follow their advice.
     
  12. Sep 13, 2005 #72 of 271
    Andy Leitch

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    I reckon about 40% of my recordings are radio, the majority being Radio 4.

    I can't use the Listen Again service from the BBC website, as programmes are only stored there for seven days and due to my job, when I'm away I have no web access.

    There is no mention in the TiVo handbook nor on the website, that they operate a two-tier service....with radio treated as an after-thought. I fully expect, as a monthly paying customer, to have a fully functioning box until the day I decide to cancel.
     
  13. Sep 13, 2005 #73 of 271
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    I've said this here already but there seems to be some sort of selective optical bug doing the rounds.

    I get free totally updates when needed for my Sky digibox, my set-top DVD player, my ADSL router, my MP3 player, my Showcenter, my WindowsXP, my various bits of software on my PC and also for other similar devices. I pay no sort of subscription to use any of these and some of them are well over 5 years old. Why should Tivo not provide free software updates for a device that is barely 3 years old and for which I have paid a hefty subscription fee along with a purchase cost?

    It is Tivo's duty and responsibility to keep their software up to date, just as it is their duty to ensure that EPG data is accurate. They should act accordingly and there should be no question at all of any payment being made for this.
     
  14. Sep 13, 2005 #74 of 271
    JonMace

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    Not true you will get no updates on Win98 for example. Do you also expect Tivo to provide a free update to work with Sky HD? Tivo has not changed the source of your programmes has - hardly Tivo's fault.

    Basically unfortunantly I now think that the days of Tivo S1 use are very numbered, this is a fact of life for all CE devises these days, Analogue TVs will soon be obsolete, SD equipment the same. You buy your equipment enjoy it and when its obsolete replace it with something better.

    I know that some of you are paying a monthly sub and therefore think that Tivo should pay the thousands of pounds of development that would be need to fix this problem in a commercial way, but I don't think it is going to happen. The simple answer is if the service is no longer fitting your needs don't pay it. For those of you that paid the life time sub, well we have had a good run of it
     
  15. Sep 13, 2005 #75 of 271
    sanderton

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    TiVo is five years old now, not three.

    And TiVo did not originally have EPG based recording of radio, it was added some time later - I can't now remember if you could do manual recordings or not under 1.5.x!

    While I think TiVo should provide a fix to solve this problem, I will not be at all surprised if they don't. To date they've been very good at providing fixes where an easy one is available (eg 2.5.5a), or it can be done in the database without altering the software(eg, having Freeview and Sky together). However this is a very different beast, requiring both substantial changes to the software and additional data in the EPG to fix properly.
     
  16. Sep 13, 2005 #76 of 271
    iankb

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    And, if you have one, did you get an update to your new Sony TV to cope with 'in-spec' Teletext updates from your TiVo.

    Will you get firmware updates for your DVD recorder that allows them to play MP3 CD's, or record High-Definition programme sources, where that wasn't included in the original functionality.

    Most free updates are bug fixes, and not the addition of functionality.

    Also, there are an increasing number of software packages (e.g. Norton Internet Security, Window Washer, etc) that expect you to replace them annually, at a hefty upgrade price, to be able to keep them up-to-date with the latest changes.
     
  17. Sep 13, 2005 #77 of 271
    xxxx

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    Win98 is 8 years old, not 5. Did I mention Win98? And in any case free updates are still available for Win98.
    My DVD player gets updates to work with new Divx codecs. My MP3 player gets updates to work with Windows DRM. My ADSL router just got an update to make it ADSL2 compatible. All of these are free yet all are needed due to outside influences.
     
  18. Sep 13, 2005 #78 of 271
    xxxx

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    My Tivo is 2 years 11 months old, not 5. I count from the time it and the subcription were purchased.
     
  19. Sep 13, 2005 #79 of 271
    xxxx

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    My Sony TV does not have user flashable firmware therefore the question does not apply. I'm stuck with what it does. I would add that the only problem with teletext arises with the Tivo output, not with any teletext signal from broadcasters, which leads me to think the problem is in fact with the Tivo and not in the TV. Given that teletext on DSAT has pretty much vanished the question applies even less.

    The other devices I mentioned do have flashable firmware and all of them have received free updates to increase functionality over and above the original spec (Divx, XVid and WMA codecs, DRM, ADSL2+). They have also received bugfixes: for example to play certain types of DVD with unusual authoring, or to improve firewall functions or wifi sync.

    All those updates have been completely free of charge and have been delivered promptly. I expect no less from Tivo and for them to deliver less would reflect badly one them.
    I don't expect bizarre no-name brands to give me regular updates either, and that's why I don't buy bizarre no-name brands. If I buy a brand-name I expect brand-name service. Brand names that give poor service go to the wall.
     
  20. Sep 13, 2005 #80 of 271
    GarySargent

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    I think the analogy is slightly blurred, as this isn't a defect with TiVo, but an incompatibility between two boxes. An incompatibility caused by Sky I might add.
     

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