Indeed. I really don't want to restart a new debate about whether or not it will happen, I thought that was long over. It's due very soon My point was they will still supply listings, for the Freeview and cable lineups. (They may or may not remove for the Sky lineup, leaning to wards "may" it seems). A solution could involve Gary's idea of dual lineups, using the Freeview listings but botched/hacked channel numbers (possible with a script intervening to assist with the channel changes *). We could test this now with a dual Sky/Freeview lineup to see if listings data was viewable on Tivo and it could be persuaded to record from the scart input instead of RF on the 2nd lineup? * LJ's red dot script waited for a recording to start, and then fired RF commands. A variation on this theme could wait for recordings on certain channels starting 1 minute early (dummy channel change by TiVo) and then fire RF (the real channel change with 4 digits).