21.8.3.RC8 ?

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  1. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    And were kinda sued out of existence for implementing the tech.?
     
  2. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    In the thousands of times I have used the SKIP button, I don't think I've seen an overshoot ever. Maybe once, but so long ago I don't recall the details. A few times it looks like an overshoot, I'll 8SR to check, and it wasn't.

    Not to say it ain't happening to you, but it doesn't happen to me. Ever.
     
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  3. Charles R

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    Same experience here... originally I thought of going the Raspberry Pi route but quickly decided it wasn't necessary. Outside of the delay (on occasion) I have had zero issues.
     
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  4. HerronScott

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    Same here. I thought that was the whole point of having the skip points curated by people to insure that the show content is not missed.

    Scott
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I thought the whole point of having the skip-points curated by people was so that it would not be an automatic process that would attract lawsuits?
     
  6. krkaufman

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    No (per my recollection), lawsuit avoidance was why skipping required the user to press a button each time.

    Even the mortally-sued ReplayTV kept commercial skip functionality after the suits, but with auto-skip (Commercial Advance) replaced by a user-initiated skip, branded Skip Nav. (Right/Left navigation arrows jump to start or end points of next/previous marked commercial breaks.)
     
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  7. nyjklein

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    So I've used the manual skip, the IFTTT Autoskip and KMTTG autoskip. I think there's a difference between these three and a need for some variable padding. Manual: you've initiated the skip so it's readily apparent when the skip started and ended. IFTTT: due to the inherent network delay, it's also usually clear when the skip happens. KMTTG: it's so efficient that without some inserted padding, in my experience it can seem "too seamless" at times.
    With the upcoming builtin autoskip, I expect the behavior to be more like KMTTG and some padding may be helpful. But I really don't expect that kind of control to be available like it is with KMTTG.

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  8. Fofer

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    Is that what relying on IFTTT was supposed to avoid as well? A lawsuit? And if so, what’s changed now that is allowing TiVo so offer a fully automated comskip?
     
  9. krkaufman

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    Yes and no certainty; but I expect there’s some recent legal precedent that is giving TiVo and several competitors the courage to add the feature. Or... TiVo may just be adding it to not lose market to the competitors adding the feature, and will disable it if/when compelled.

    edit: For example, I’d think all the various streaming services, especially CBS All Access, offering commercial skip packages as an option opens the legal door to enabling auto-skip.
     
  10. TonyD79

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    There is nothing illegal about auto skip. What would be illegal is editing the video to remove commercials. The streamers have contracts or own the material (like cbs) to be able to remove commercials. Heck, Hulu even has (had) shows they could not remove commercials completely , so they put one up front and one at the end on their commercial free service.
     
  11. Mikeguy

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    Then, what was the broadcaster, et al. lawsuit against ReplayTV based on?

    Per Wikipedia:
    ReplayTV - Wikipedia
     
  12. TKnight206

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    I assume CBS All Access can do what they want to do with their own private service. As for TV, I assume that TiVo might be offering some compensation to certain networks to offset the lost value of commercial viewership when it comes to SkipMode. Probably more compensation if they implement an AutoSkip.
     
  13. BigJimOutlaw

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    Paranoid plaintiffs made claims against a disruptive threat. There ultimately was no decision in that case, but years later during the Dish Network adskip lawsuits, copyright claims that weren't already settled were lost by the plaintiffs because the broadcaster doesn't own the copyrights to commercials.

    So at least as of 2015 there was a precedent for commercial skip which Tivo leapt at.

    Replay's program sharing was probably far more damning, since that is straight-up unlicensed retransmission.
     
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  14. HerronScott

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    Not that I recall from postings here. The human-curated part was to be sure that the broadcast content was not missed.

    Right.

    Scott
     
  15. TonyD79

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    You can sue on anything. Ask me if the government issued any lawsuits based on law.
     
  16. krkaufman

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    (reply moved since auto-commercial skipping is not a feature of RC8, so discussion re: the feature doesn’t belong here, let alone branches re: its merits/risks)
     
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  17. astrohip

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    I don't think that's an assumption one can make.
     
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  18. Mikeguy

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    Just because the government hasn't filed a lawsuit and sued over something doesn't mean the thing was lawful . . . .
     
  19. TonyD79

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    No but my point was tell me when the government says something is illegal not when some company files a lawsuit which is meaningless unless it brings a result. A company can sue over anything. The mere existence of a lawsuit doesn’t prove something is illegal.
     
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    Autoskip software: 21.9.1.v3-USC-11-MMM (MMM is start of TSN).

    No more RC?????? :cool:
     
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