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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by m.s, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:41 PM.
Roamio OTA got it earlier today.
I hope it's a coincidence, but the update to RC18 just installed on two Roamio boxes. I hope TiVo's servers are down, since a lot is not working. No VCM Connections, Search, WTW but network diagnostics are ok.
But "plans" can change, suddenly even. I predict Hydra will eventually be the only UI for boxes that can run it. Hope they get it fixed up to where I like it by then. And get their servers working well enough to support it on all boxes without spinning blue circles.
Yes things change and predicting the future will always be just a guess, however one's guess can be based on available information/facts or not. TiVo has stated they do not intent on forcing Hydra on existing devices, that is the only available information we have. Deciding to predict something different is certainly a valid prediction but it is based on feelings not information/facts. I prefer to stick with information/facts when possible.
My current less than one week experience with Hydra on a new Roamio OTA is less than positive so I am certainly in the camp of wanting to be able to stay on the old HDUI.
My bolt running the classic UI updated to 20.7.4.RC18. The first thing I noticed was that my closed caption text changed from white text to green (Yuck).
Not just based on "feelings". There are numerous examples of emphatically proclaimed plans changing. Remembering a president in 1990: "Read my lips ..... no new taxes!"
I find it hard to believe that TiVo will want to go on supporting two different UI's for the lifetime of the boxes that can use Gen4.
It's coincidence, saw the usual server BSC nonsense with RC9 on my Roamio this morning.
Everything seems ok now with one exception: the VCM Connections on my Roamio OTA w/Hydra are failing. But since GC and indexing have not worked since the day I installed it, I don't really care.
Everything on the classic interface is happy.
Why? What do you think support is going to mean for the HDUI going forward? My guess it means they do nothing at all. In any event until I see all their cable partners agreeing to move to Hydra, not "supporting" the old HDUI isn't even a possibility. I am actually surprised they are allowing Bolt VOX units to role back to the HDUI now. I am guessing what goes first is the ability for people buying new equipment to move back to the HDUI.
So when new units can not be rolled back and when all their cable partners have moved to Hydra is a point where I would think the probability of us being able to stay on the old HDUI decreases substantially but even then I am not sure TiVo will see it being in their best interest to force everyone to convert.
Hopefully they hold off until ATSC 3 equipment is available. Pretty sure I will then buy another Tivo or switch to the competition.
One can cut the irony of that comment with a knife - you do realize you're posting to a thread about a brand new HDUI release, don't you?
As an OTA only user that is where I am at, my TiVos do what I want to do very well, leave them alone and provide good guide data is all I need TiVo to do for the next few years. When ATSC 3.0 broadcast start maybe a point where TiVo gets to push Bolt OTA users to Hydra, if they decide to sell some type of external ATSC 3.0 tuners that can be used with Bolts, if they do I will be fine moving to Hydra then.
For now I am going to continue to test Hydra on the new Roamio OTA I got setup last Saturday, but so far I see nothing in it that is a plus for me and a whole lot of negatives.
Unless this update introduces some new major issue or some of TiVos cable partners required something I actually expect this update to ether be the last or nearly the last update for the old HDUI. I have no expectation that TiVo will continue to spend resources on HDUI, no more than I expected them to do much with the old SDUI after the release of the HDUI. Back then I advised people to stay with the SDUI as the HDUI sucked big time when released on the Premiere. There certainly is some irony there .
Personally, on Gen3 UI, I just want them to fix a few regression bugs, then leave it alone and don't update anymore. It works fine for most things and any change can introduce issues in areas that I do care about. Three years of no updates, no new features and no new bugs. That would be nice.
If they just fix items in Diagnostics I would be happy. Like cable card paired and RS Corrected errors. These two span basic Roamio and Bolt.
Is something wrong with the RS Corrected and Uncorrected? I am sure you will probably shoot a link back...
I always wondered about those stats.
Maybe if they ever figure out how to put it on Series4, they might force it on to that and above, but any older models, I am sure would not be able to run it. Probably even Series4 could not even run it because they did not run anywhere near fast enough in HD Mode to begin with.
Also it will take them way into next year to get Gen4 up to snuff. Look how long it took to get Gen3 to where it is today. I just started in 05/2012 with Tivo and so many bugs have been fixed and a few nice mods have been done since then, with a lot of crappy problems along the way, but I would NEVER get an X1 unless all tuners are buffering (at least), just like I will NEVER go to Gen4 without the Live Guide, that helped to make a Tivo a Tivo.
On a basic Roamio or Bolt the RS Corrected is always zero. RS Uncorrected works. If you want to know what they are counting -> Reed–Solomon error correction - Wikipedia
Oh, I got a RP. Thanks, but no thanks...LOL. I looked at it for a minute. I am more of a software than hardware person and it sure looks very technical. I am old and tired and not in the mood, but thanks Joe. I wish I would have gotten that BF Roamio OTA to play with. If it was a Bolt OTA for that price, I probably would have gotten one...
I think the buffer issue was hydra only. Not the Older interface. But maybe I'm wrong?