20.4.6aRC1 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Mar 9, 2015 #101 of 142
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    Use the security (or parental controls) of your router to block this string:
    TMS_US/static/SwSystem

    Unblock when you are ready to update, and do two manual connections to check for the update. I tested this string, and the Roamio I used it on lost no functionality, except the ability to download any new guide data, before the block was removed. It would abort the service connections, after authenticating, verifying the account status, and setting the time, when the first file of the update download would occur. After 12 days, a warning popped up that the guide data had run out (but really had two days worth left). No ill-effects from this experiment in "I'll update when I want to".

    ETA: This will not help if your TiVo has already downloaded the update, which can be checked by looking for the "pending restart" under settings->network.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2015 #102 of 142
    Arcady

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    Unless something in the schedule changed within those 12 days...
     
  3. Mar 9, 2015 #103 of 142
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

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    If it did, it didn't affect me, and that's with >200 SPs, before OnePass conversion.

    I knew that changes in the existing guide data would not receive updates, at least via the scheduled service connections. However, TiVo uses the realtime portion of the TiVo service (not blocked by the string provided) for some portions of the scheduling mechanisms, and it seems to know to ignore the local (on the TiVo) guide data for the actual recordings.

    This new mechanism is how TiVo is able to schedule programming that is beyond the ~12 day local downloaded guide data.

    I was even able to schedule new SPs, and individual recordings, in those 12 days.

    For somebody who is simply looking to offset the the update, to have control over when their TiVo reboots, by a matter of hours, or a day (like in the post I responded to), I sure did a heck of a lot of verifying that everything I could think of to test, was still working, even 12 days later.

    The TiVo I tested on ran in parallel to another, that was granted exemption from the block, and got 20.4.6 the moment TiVo sent it. I watched, compared, and even did wireshark captures of the two boxes, using port mirroring on an advanced switch I had handy.

    Is there a minute possibility something could be affected negatively by what I did, like a missed recording? Sure, there's always a chance of that.

    Is it likely to be any worse than the reason the person I responded to wanted to know when a reboot was likely? I highly doubt it. There are always reports, with every update, of TiVos rebooting at 2AM, even when something is recording at that time. There are also situations where a reboot happens due to some other factor, but recordings are lost, as the TiVo can take an hour from reboot to finishing update, to be back to a state to resume recording. These are usually reported as that the update caused the reboot at prime-time, or whenever. But they are really reboots that would have happened anyway, and the update just happened to already be slated to install at the next reboot.

    I have the captures, and router logs, all preserved, as I'm still intrigued by exactly what is going on with TiVos that are so dependant on having 24/7 realtime internet access. I'm running a wireshark capture as I'm typing this.

    Questions? If not on-topic for here, send a PM, or start a thread, and invite me there to talk about it.
     
  4. Mar 9, 2015 #104 of 142
    Arcady

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    Thanks for the info. Learn something new every day.
     
  5. Bierboy

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    Thanks....I had e-mailed Margret about it, and she said she hadn't heard about this bug. I sent her your comment about it.

    I believe that's when I've seen it, too, when there's a single recording in a WL folder.
     
  6. dnorth12

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    Been away for awhile. Just noticed this post last night. Checked for a restart pending on my two Premiers. No luck.

    So this morning I emailed Margret with the machine id's and came home to find two pending restarts.

    Both went well.

    So happy to have Amazon videos now via the TiVo instead of having to use the fire stick.

    Thanks to Margret for the fast service, unless it was just my turn anyway. :D
     
  7. tomhorsley

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    I managed to thwart it by connecting to TiVo before going to bed, seeing a pending update appear, and forcing a restart. That got all the noise and flashing lights out of its system before 3AM :).
     
  8. cosmo4u

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    So when does the update push out for the non priority users?

    Thanks
     
  9. tomhorsley

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    I wasn't on the priority list, and I got it last night.
     
  10. ajwees41

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    might be soon although both my tivos updated via the priority list. when looking last night the onepass ad showed on the main screen again.
     
  11. cosmo4u

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    Thanks for the update. I'll keep my eye out
     
  12. Doug G

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    I'm not on the priority list either and my two Premiere/4s got it last night, my original Premiere (320GB) unit didn't.
     
  13. jsmeeker

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    and now I have it.

    Now, to really figure out how this is gonna work. Gotta see how to activate Amazon Prime on it. From the short video I watched, it suggests that both Amazon Prime and Amazon Instant both work with OnePass. Thought it was just gonna be Amazon Prime.
     
  14. imrf

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    Are the boxes that are on the priority list still getting it pushed? I re-added mine a few days ago and still no update or even a pending restart on mine.
     
  15. jtdon99

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    Put my 2 Premieres on priority list on monday, got update for both on thursday
     
  16. MPSAN

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    My two boxes have the notice that there are new features but I am still on non-updated OS.
     
  17. jsmeeker

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    I wasn't on any sort of priority list.

    I still don't have Amazon Prime. It shows up on the list in My Video Providers and is checked off, but doesn't seem to be any place else. I know TiVoMargaret said it can take a day or two to show up. So, I guess I will wait.
     
  18. Doug G

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    My original Premiere unit got it yesterday afternoon after a forced connection. I also noted the amazon app on this was still the "old" app after the upgrade. I forced another connection and now I have the new one so maybe try that if you don't see the new Amazon Prime app. Looking forward to getting some video use out of our Prime membership finally!
     
  19. hairyblue

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    I didn't even know that the Premiere got Amazon Prime Streaming. I'd wanted this for while now. I guess they listen to us. Seems like they would have advertised it more on the Premiere so we knew it was there.

    I now have my videos I bought from Amazon and the Prime streaming content available. This is great!

    Thank You Easter Bunny! Bawk Bawk!
     
  20. audioscience

    audioscience OG Lurker

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    Um, that was a big part of this update. The Premiere just got Prime streaming so they wouldn't have advertised it before. :p

    Honestly, it's perfectly implemented with the OnePass. I can have any show in My Shows and just play it straight away from there. No independent need to navigate to the Prime app.
     

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