20.4.6 Release Notes

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  1. Jan 31, 2015 #321 of 1154
    RoyK

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    A screen saver had a function ( to 'save' screens from burn-in of a static image) back in the ancient days of stone tools and CRT displays. Today's screen aren't subject to that damage so screen savers aren't necessary even though they may be kind of neat as peasant amazers
     
  2. Jan 31, 2015 #322 of 1154
    bradleys

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    Pause the TV and wait... Once the buffer runs out it drops back down to live TV. Leave it on a menu too long and it drops back to live TV.

    Leave the Mini on a menu too long and it drops to a screen saver.
     
  3. Jan 31, 2015 #323 of 1154
    L David Matheny

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    I suppose a screen saver could be helpful to people with plasma TVs, and it might even be helpful to those with new OLED TVs if those are also subject to burn-in. But maybe that could be a job for the TV, not the TiVo.
     
  4. Jan 31, 2015 #324 of 1154
    Arcady

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    If you play a recording and hit pause, the TiVo will remain paused as long as power is connected. One time when I used to have a Series 2 in the garage (when I had a garage) I left to do something and hit pause, but I shut off the TV. I forgot all about it. It stayed paused for nearly two weeks.
     
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    lessd

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    Under settings - devices -then you will see a menu the last item is the power settings, when using it look at the right of the screen that tells you what will happen at each level.
    At high power saving setting I am saving about 8 to 9 watts, the Mini will work and all xfers will work, the TiVo itself will take about 10 seconds to wake up when you want to watch something on that TiVo, also if you don't use the remote for 2 hours the TiVo goes into standby, I have not tested this out for a 2+ hour Netflix movie as you may not use the remote in that time period.
     
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    keenanSR

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    Exactly, and why I was asking about it. I know it will eventually drop to live TV but as I recall it takes quite some time to do that, much too long for a plasma display.
     
  7. Jan 31, 2015 #327 of 1154
    keenanSR

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    It would be far more useful if it was an actual screen saver and had a variable timer. Even just dropping into live TV with a user timer setting would be great.
     
  8. Jan 31, 2015 #328 of 1154
    keenanSR

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    Leap-frogged over LED displays, went from CRT to plasma, never saw an LED display that had good enough picture quality.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2015 #329 of 1154
    Arcady

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    There's no such thing as an LED display. There are LCD displays that have LED backlighting. I wish the people that market TV sets would understand what they are actually selling.

    Plasma is heavy, power-hungry, and susceptible to burn-in. No thanks.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2015 #330 of 1154
    keenanSR

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    But has far better picture quality than an LED/LCD. :)
     
  11. Jan 31, 2015 #331 of 1154
    justen_m

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    I want to say, "I apologize." For things I've said, slandering the tivo development team or margret.

    This isn't in the face of a threat of lawsuit or anything. I said things out of anger that were not appropriate. Including a bug report. I am sorry. Especially to yo Maggie, who spends lots of time on time forum answering us newbies*.
     
  12. Jan 31, 2015 #332 of 1154
    lessd

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    Todays high end LCD HDTV have a picture as good a any Plasma I have seen, maybe the black is a little better on the Plasma, but not enough to matter, at least to me.
     
  13. Jan 31, 2015 #333 of 1154
    DoubleDAZ

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    I get your point, but using metadata to upload something to Tivo is not a hack in the traditional use of the term. With Arcady's definition, simply adding a director, writer or actor to the metadata txt file would be a "hack" and I doubt you'd agree that's the case.

    Your second point is exactly where we are at this point, trying to figure out how Tivo deals with specific metadata, so we can come up with something that is supported and does what we want. I don't know if multiple SPs was a conscious design feature. If it was, it shouldn't have been changed without considering what it would do to those who use the feature. I doubt the programmers consciously designed them in, they just happened to work. Similarly, the way I was editing metadata to upload movies to a group was probably not a design feature ether and it's broken too.
     
  14. Jan 31, 2015 #334 of 1154
    HarperVision

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    It's because they've seen the future and the writing on the wall and are steering towards being a major player in the OTA DVR/Streaming box solution for cord cutters.

    (Sorry for reviving an old post, I'm just catching up on this thread)
     
  15. Jan 31, 2015 #335 of 1154
    Arcady

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    Perhaps. My main TV, where I connected my Roamio Pro, is still a CCFL-backlit LCD running at 60hz. And I quite like it. I have an LCD/LED at 120hz in the bedroom, and I think it looks too "real" somehow. The only plasma I ever owned had image blur, was slow to turn on/off, and was only 720p. That was like 10 years ago, so I assume they have improved.

    Anyway, I don't get the need for a screensaver. If you are going to walk away for more than 10 minutes, turn off the TV.
     
  16. Jan 31, 2015 #336 of 1154
    jcthorne

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    This is my fervent hope for this and several of the new 'features'.
     
  17. Jan 31, 2015 #337 of 1154
    bradleys

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    We have to accept that anything "we" create is subseptable to breaking during an update,
     
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    aaronwt

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    That sounds like a decent amount of savings. Where are the power savings supposed to be coming from?
     
  19. Jan 31, 2015 #339 of 1154
    DoubleDAZ

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    That's true to a degree, but it seems like some of the problem has been that we were just using what worked rather that digging deep enough to understand how the data was really being process so we could have done it the "right" way. I simply can't believe it's not possible to do things so they follow a standard and won't get broken in the future. Any programmer knows that if documented conventions are followed, things won't intentionally get broken.
     
  20. Jan 31, 2015 #340 of 1154
    bradleys

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    This is probably the biggest single change in how our TiVo's operate I can ever remember. A lot of UI changes, hardware changes, speed changes, new functionality - but never a direct specific change to a core function of the DVR.

    It may take a little time to determine if tivo got it right or made an error, and it may take some tweaking.

    In the end, it doesn't suprise me that it broke some a custom tool, and I supose it really doesn't suprise me that a number of long time users are upset.

    Change is hard.
     

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