20.4.5 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. wombat94

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    JWhites,

    the reason for this is that the Mini only depends on the Premiere/Roamio for recorded tv/live TV streaming.

    For the Over The Top (OTT) apps like Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, etc the Mini is its own client (that is why the Mini needs to be added/authorized for your Amazon/Netflix accounts separately from the Premiere or Roamio).

    Basically, the Mini runs almost exactly the same hardware as the Roamio - so it got the update with Amazon/Vudu... the Premiere is a different processor and Tivo hasn't yet done a software release to enable these apps on the older hardware - here's hoping the next update will include those features.
     
  2. JWhites

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    I know the streaming apps work independently from the host DVR. I am just saying that there's no way of independently showing or hiding the streaming apps through the Mini, so generally the Mini just shows whatever streaming apps are selected to show on the host it's attached to at the time, like how I can hide all of the streaming apps on the Romeo and then no streaming apps appear on the Mini, but when I attach the Mini to the Premiere VUDU and Amazon Prime will appear even though there's no option for it under Video Providers on the Premiere, which leads me to think that those streaming apps there on the Premiere but just not accessible/enabled yet until a future update. Others have noticed this as well on the Mini thread.
     
  3. JWhites

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    Everyone is really looking forward to the MPEG-4 support, both for watching and recording MPEG-4 channels and for watching MPEG-4 downloaded videos. It's already gonna be a huge hit with Cox and Comcast and Verizon FiOS subscribers, and as more providers move to MPEG-4 it will be even more so, possibly even indispensable.
     
  4. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    And guide data, which is why it's bogus that they've charged for separate TiVo fees for it and probably why they're testing included lifetime service now, at least until Jan 6.
     
  5. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    The Mini connects directly to the TiVo servers to get its guide data, and stores the guide data independently from the host DVR.
     
  6. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Nope, I just proved it with a custom channel using my ZeeVee QAM Encoder/Modulator outputting on cable channel 135.1 going into my host Roamio. If it didn't leech off of the host it would have NO WAY of knowing that channel existed.
     
  7. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    And yes, I have BOTH cable and OTA running concurrently on my base Roamio doing this.
     

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  8. tarheelblue32

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    That proves the Mini gets its channel list from the host DVR, that doesn't prove that the Mini doesn't get its own guide data independently.
     
  9. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Good point, but are they not linked? I made a custom name for the info on the modulator and that same name appears in the mini guide.
     
  10. XIBM

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    Where would the Mini store guide data as it has no disk?
     
  11. mjcxp

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    The Mini does have some storage... I believe it has 2GB of flash memory and 256MB of RAM.
     
  12. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    For some reason I just find it hard to believe they bother making the mini collect it's own guide data when it HAS TO BE connected to a host TiVo to function properly. Why go through the hassle when all it has to do is query the host??? My modulator setup makes me think this even more.

    I think an easy test would be to disassociate it from the host but leave everything else connected and then wait until the guide data runs out in about 12 days and THEN see what guide info it gives you. I think this is also how they can easily give the lifetime service away now cuz they don't pay tribune for it as a stand alone box accessing the guide since it's a parasite of the host. (Yes, this is all just a WAG from me).
     
  13. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    You wouldn't even have to wait the full 12 days to do a test. All you would have to do is go out as far as the guide data goes and check to see where it ends, then disconnect it from the host for a day or two, and then check to see if the guide data keeps getting extended out further. If it does, then the Mini has to be getting its guide data from somewhere other than the host.
     
  14. berkshires

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    How can a mini be disassociated or disconnected from it's host?
     
  15. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Mine has actually done it at random a couple of times, and I have had to go into the settings to reconnect it to the host DVR.
     
  16. zundian

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    Does anyone know approximately how large the quarterly updates are? If the mini only has 2GB of storage space they can't be *that* big, which means that TiVo's coders are pretty efficient.
     
  17. morac

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    You mean the software updates? Last time I measured one via my router traffic, it was around 100 MB. Not sure if that's compressed or not.
     

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