20.4.1 Release Notes (Premiere)

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. May 11, 2014 #81 of 140
    lpwcomp

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    3 things I discovered in the last couple of days.

    1. This is a caveat. The "Default Recording Options" apply to ARWL. In particular, if you have the default "Record" option set to "NEW only" as I do, your ARWL is probably not going to perform as you wish.

    2. This may have been around for a while, but if an episode of a series gets recorded by an ARWL, it appears in the Wishlist group but does not appear in the series group. If you delete the recording and then recover it from "Recently Deleted", it then appears in the series group but does not re-appear in the ARWL group.

    3. While testing movie programIds, I wanted to transfer something from my Roamio to my Premiere. Anything more that 2-weeks old was marked "Transfer prohibited by copyright owner.". Note that this only applies to Premiere to Roamio. The Roamio has no problem with any of the Premiere recordings nor does the THD or PC have any problem with any recordings on the Roamio.
     
  2. May 11, 2014 #82 of 140
    CrispyCritter

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    Are you sure of points 2 and 3?

    For 2, it used to be (and should be) the case that the show should appear in both the Wishlist group and the Series group. When restored, it may just appear in the Series group.

    For 3, there shouldn't be any time related issues relating to copy protection, unless your franchise provider had things set up wrong for a while. There are movie channels like Encore that you may not realize may be protected locally.

    Both of those would be new bugs that others have not reported, or indicate that you have problems in your Premiere's show database on disk.
     
  3. May 11, 2014 #83 of 140
    lpwcomp

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    Yes, I am certain about everything. And I know how things used to work and are supposed to work and that no one else has reported them, which is why I did. And how can it be a problem with the Premiere's db when I only see a problem when browsing the Roamio's NPL from the Premiere.

    Have you actually tested it yourself?
     
  4. May 11, 2014 #84 of 140
    CrispyCritter

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    I have no problems with point 3, and have tested it.
    Point 2, I don't have any ARWL at the moment; I may be able to test later. I could easily believe that's a new bug that's crept in.

    The fact nobody has reported them (especially point 3, which people do reasonably often), indicates there is something about your particular environment causing a problem, or something very strange is happening. There is no reason for copy permission to be time-dependent. Is it an unchanging 2 weeks - are movies transferable until the 2 week barrier is reached and then suddenly become non-transferable?

    You're right, it would be a problem with the Roamio's database, not the Premiere's.
     
  5. May 11, 2014 #85 of 140
    lpwcomp

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    Don't know yet. I just saw it for the first time today. I don't directly use the Premiere very often. I'm only speculating about the 2-week thing since the most recent recording that exhibited the problem was recorded on 4/27. I won't have any more date for 3 or 4 days as I have nothing that was recorded on the Roamio on 4/28 or 4/29 and only 1 on 4/30. BTW, it's not just movies that manifest the issue. It's individual episodes of TV shows.

    If that were the case I would also have problems with transfers of those recordings to the THD and PC from the Roamio. I don't.
     
  6. May 11, 2014 #86 of 140
    nooneuknow

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    Even though this is the Premiere thread, and I'm all Roamio now, I wanted to back up lpwcomp and state that I'm just now noticing some bugs.

    I've replicated his results on Roamios. Many bugs/issues are now cross-platform. The old way of partitioning/isolating Premieres and Roamios with seperate threads, seems to be less desirable than it used to be (like right after the Roamio's launch).

    I've also found a few bugs when using one Roamio to schedule recordings, or create season passes on another. When they manifested, or with what software, is too difficult to nail-down. I just know what a mess it now is trying to clean up when there's a Season Pass for one purpose, and an ARWL for other purposes, for the same program. It's easier to delete everything, and pull what I want from RD, than to know what to delete, and what to keep in the SP and ARWL folders for the same program.

    Why am I just noticing now? I hadn't done most of the things I just tried for months. I also just caught the ARWL issues with the one unit I have one ARWL set up on, which I had just left to do its thing, and hadn't done anything with for over six months.

    ARWLs have always been a PITA (for me) to get right (or as right as one can make them). I ended up nuking the one I had, and re-created it. The behavior has definitely changed, and I'm liking ARWLs even less.
     
  7. May 12, 2014 #87 of 140
    slowbiscuit

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    I love ARWLs and use them for all the sports I watch. They work perfectly once tweaked to my satisfaction and I rarely have to change anything they want to record. The Boolean search phrase capability is one of the best and most underutilized features of a Tivo, IMO, usually because SPs work for most stuff.
     
  8. May 12, 2014 #88 of 140
    dcstager

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    I'm still getting spontaneous reboots with the MLB.TV app. Likewise, the program seems pretty unstable when it is working. Noticed when you back out by the left arrow, some of the text says MLB 2013 and some MLB 2014, so I'm really hoping this is on their radar because I attempt to use this feature a lot. When you consider how smoothly and perfectly the IOS MLB app and just watching MLB on their website works, it seems this problem must be fixable. Just nothing better than watching the game with a choice of home or away coverage and being able to pick the audio track too. I truly enjoy seeing the tv picture and the radio sound perfectly synchronized and watch the games that way. MLB is an awesome service for baseball fans. I wish the Tivo people would prioritize getting it working reliably.
     
  9. May 12, 2014 #89 of 140
    NorthAlabama

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    sorry you're having troubles, i've seen your posts and i'm not trying to throw water on your issues, just wanted to give you feedback on my experience with the tivo mlb app.

    mlb on my pxl has consistently been one of the most stable and responsive tivo apps, with very good hd picture quality. other premiere users in mlb threads share the same experience as mine (roamio users seem to be having more issues).

    how far along are you in troubleshooting, and if you emailed margret, did you receive a response? i'm thinking this might be an isolated issue, or local network and hardware related.
     
  10. May 12, 2014 #90 of 140
    ghuido

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    I am receiving the same behavior. I'll check the software version tonight to see if I have the patch. I had rock solid netflix behavior before patch. Have had 3 reboots since.
     
  11. May 12, 2014 #91 of 140
    astrohip

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    Actually, I reported on #1 a while back. But it was in the thread that talked about this specific new feature (the new SP default settings thread), so unless one read that thread...

    Thanks for reporting this, detailed feedback is always useful for many of us.:up:
     
  12. May 12, 2014 #92 of 140
    ghuido

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    confirmed version of Version 20.4.1-01-2-758
     
  13. May 25, 2014 #93 of 140
    Jed1

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    The problem with my upstairs TiVo rebooting is being caused by a weak battery in my Tripplite UPS. If I do the battery test with the TV off it will pass but if I try the test with the TV on it will fail depending on what is displaying on the screen at the time of the test.
    Since these are plasma TVs it takes more power to drive a brighter screen especially with a lot of whites and that is when the battery test will fail. I performed the same test on my Downstairs TV, which is the same model as upstairs with the same TiVo and same UPS, and it battery test passes on the same content.
    I did not keep accurate records when I replaced the batteries in each UPS but I am suspecting that the battery in the upstairs UPS is about three years old and the downstairs battery may be a little over a year old.
    I will have the replacement battery on Tuesday some I will see if the reboot issue stops.
     
  14. May 25, 2014 #94 of 140
    lpwcomp

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    Why do you have your TV connected to a UPS?
     
  15. May 25, 2014 #95 of 140
    Jed1

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    I am at the very end of a run of a electric grid that is 70 years old that feeds my neighborhood. I lost many power supplies over the years in my electronics, especially TVs. In 2007 I started using UPS's for all my electronics and haven't lost any power supplies since.
    I have complained to my electric utility and even the PUC and nothing ever gets done about it as they used to blame my electric service, which they claimed was to old.
    In 2007 I had a new 200 amp service installed and completely rewired my home with low and high voltage wiring and still lost the power supply in my RCA DLP. Ever since then I use these UPS's. Problem solved!
     
  16. May 25, 2014 #96 of 140
    lpwcomp

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    So you're using it as a power conditioner? Makes sense.

    Yeah, 3 years is about the right time for new batteries in a UPS, especially one with that much load. What is the VA rating on the UPS?
     
  17. May 25, 2014 #97 of 140
    Jed1

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    Correct. These saved me a lot of frustration since I started using them.

    I have 4 Tripp Lite HT850UPS. The VA rating is 850. I bought these before I got my two G Kuros.
    http://www.tripplite.com/sku/HT850UPS

    I may upgrade to two of these units for my TVs.
    http://www.tripplite.com/sku/OMNI1500LCDT/

    I am going to put a piece of masking tape with the replacement date on the side of the UPS so I can keep track of how long they last. I pretty sure it is around three years. Like you said I do have a heavy load on them.
    I can say with certainty that they are worth the money if you have questionable electric grid in your location especially from brown outs.
     
  18. May 28, 2014 #98 of 140
    dcstager

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    I have not emailed Margaret. But I finally called Tivo today to start official process. Told they have no reports of MLB.TV having/causing spontaneous reboots. They offered to swap my machine to fix the problem, but I didn't want to lose all my programs. Tivo suggested I contact MLB.TV because Tivo has no control over the app and MLB.TV programmers will have to fix my issue. I contacted MLB.TV and made initial report. We'll see what they do. I've had good experience MLB.TV and it's a great computer and Ipad app. I think the Tivo app should be the same level of reliability.
     
  19. May 30, 2014 #99 of 140
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    I am having the same problem on my premier xl4, it happens nightly now, same situation, after 4-5 videos are watched on a playlist in youtube, it freezes at loading. I have never had it respond to the remote, always have to unplug it. I had to unplug and replug the device in twice last night. Has your problem been resolved? If so, can you explain how it was? If anyone else has ideas, I'd appreciate it. I tried Tivo chat support and they say they have never heard of this problem....Thanks.
    my software shows 20.4.1-01-2-758
     
  20. changk

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    I honestly haven't tried it since I made that post. I'll try it again tonight or over the weekend and see if the behavior persists; I fear it will.

    FYI, in my testing I found that once the box becomes unresponsive, it will reboot on its own somewhere between 15 and 30 minutes after locking up. If I don't mind waiting that long, that means I don't have to go digging around the back of my entertainment center to cycle the power.
     

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