20/20 The Bruce Jenner interview

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  1. StevesWeb

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    For those people who are exclusively heterosexual or exclusively homosexual, one reason to wish to know what is between their legs is to know if it's the kind they like.
     
  2. MonsterJoe

    MonsterJoe Travels for Food

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    can you tell someone's sexual preference from the outside?

    You could know someone has a vagina, and not know they aren't attracted to penises...so how did that help anything?
     
  3. brebeans

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    Totally different things. I think the interview is important because it WILL help others who are going through, thinking about going through, having been through this transition.

    As Rock Hudson and Magic Johnson helped people view people with AIDS differently, and with a bit more compassion, I'm hoping that this interview also helps others...both those in transition and others in society who want to understand it better and find ways to be more sensitive and supportive.
     
  4. Supfreak26

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    When you are describing a person to someone else we describe them as male or female almost 100% of the time. It's expected and completely acceptable.
     
  5. brebeans

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    Not everyone with vaginas is attracted to penises. Not everyone with penises is attracted to vaginas.

    Gender identity and sex have nothing to do with sexual orientation and attraction. That is only, usually, assumed to be the case if one is heterosexual (ie. penises prefer vaginas and vice versa, which we know isn't true if one is gay, lesbian, etc.).

    Once he changes genders and is a woman.....if he prefers women, does that mean he is a 'lesbian'. Well, likely, but he will, technically, be a transwoman who prefers women. He would be the best judge of that.
    Just because he is becoming a woman does not mean he will then want to be with men.......that's a very heterosexist view of the world, to assume that.
     
  6. MonsterJoe

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    That was my point

    You don't know someone's sexual preference, so what is the point in knowing outwardly that they have the reproductive organ you prefer?

    The argument I am replying to is "people need to act like their sex so I can tell if I want them or not"

    I think that is silly and am exploring why
     
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  7. laria

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    I guess it helps you know if you should even bother to try. :)
     
  8. brebeans

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    Agree with you. What does "acting like your sex" mean, anyway?? Yikes....
    I think your exploration is on target!
     
  9. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    it only seemed longer due to smart alec posters - thanks for catching, error corrected.
     
  10. jsmeeker

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    He did. I don't think you missed anything either. Bruce seemed to make that pretty clear. He's not gay. Unless, of course, it's saying something like "not that I know of". But I think that doesn't count as waffling. It's more of a joke.

    But maybe both of us missed something?






    PS: I'm not gay.



    at least not that I am aware of.
     
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    StevesWeb

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    Because if you learn they have the bits you do not find interesting you have narrowed the field.
     
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    Ereth

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    Anybody remember "Tula", the Bond girl who was outed as Transgender many years ago? I remember reading an article from her (and she's XXXY, an unusual chromosome configuration) where she lamented that the laws considered her male even though she'd had the surgery, and specifically, if she were to be arrested, she'd be sent to a male prison.

    There were court battles over this. In 1989 she was given the right to legally become a woman, but that was overturned on appeal in 1990. It wasn't until 2004 that it became legal to change your sex in Britain (according to Wikipedia).

    These are issues that are things that most people never think about. But it seemed obvious to me that a transgender M-F should not be sent to a male prison, even back in the ancient days of 1989.

    Dan Bunten, the programmer who gave us the game M.U.L.E. (one of my all time favorite games) transitioned to become Dani Bunten. As Dani she wrote several articles I found fascinating. One of which stressed how difficult transition was, how most of her friends and family had abandoned her, and how she found that women were more accepting than men.

    But the one that is relevant to this discussion is that she wrote about how she was only attracted to women, and fully expected that she would be a "lesbian" after her transition, only to find that a switch had thrown in her head and now she was attracted to men. She couldn't explain it, and she didn't really try, only marveled that it had happened.

    One statement she made that stuck with me was that she referred to the change as "becoming a flower, rather than a bee". I understood what she meant, but hadn't really seen it in that light before.

    I tried to find that article, but Google failed me. Much of what Dan/Dani said is only in the Wayback Machine now, but it's probably there somewhere and I'm just not finding it.
     
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    AeneaGames

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    "Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex." (Wikipedia)

    I always assumed the 'trans' part in the word means someone is moving from one gender to another, ie. the (gender) reassignment process. So once done I don't consider someone to be still transgendered.
     
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    AeneaGames

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    In some places in the world you have to divorce first in such cases, I imagine that would be the case in those states as well.
     
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    AeneaGames

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    Probably depends on who you ask I suppose, but according to law, themselves and everyone who supports them, they are considered women.

    If she identifies as a woman, dresses and behaves like a woman and according to law is a woman what do you think she labels herself as when she only likes other women? :)

    She has always been a woman, most know already at a very young age and has nothing to do with "wanting to be", they just are. I've heard that they've dissected brains of transgendered women and they found that their brains are more like female brains than male brains or even completely like female brains.

    I've always thought that transgendered people are just another form of intersexuals (hermaphrodites) where something doesn't go right during pregnancy and in case of transgendered women, there wasn't enough testosterone during brain formation so the brain ended up being (partially) female instead.
     
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    jsmeeker

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    DavidTigerFan

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    That is heavily airbrushed.
     
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    Shaunnick

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    Janice Dickenson?
     
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    Robin

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    Which differentiates it from every other Vanity Fair cover how?
     
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    jsmeeker

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    Will ABC 20/20 have follow up/companion interview with Caitlyn?
     

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