20/20 The Bruce Jenner interview

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  1. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    You're welcome. :)
     
  2. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    something different must be going on with other people in public bathrooms than anything i've experienced - how does someone verify another's gender identity (without violating other laws in the process)?
     
  3. getreal

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    Is it more confusing or clear to consider that his XY chromosomes are attracted to another person's XX chromosomes? ;)

    Personally, I was a male trapped inside a female's body ... until my mom gave birth to me! :D

    I never understood the fabricated controversy about which public washroom a transgendered (or transvestite) person uses. I don't interact with other people in a public washroom beyond a possible nod and "howdy" on my way entering or exiting, and only if we made brief eye contact. I am on a focused mission to do my business and get out as soon as possible -- after washing my hands, of course. :)
     
  4. pjenkins

    pjenkins God bless Texas :)

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    Historically it's because it's not the norm. And many people vilify, prosecute, slander, punish and ridicule those that don't fit into that norm. Especially when it "grosses them out" for whatever reason.
     
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    Yep, this is what I think. This is all about people wanting to see a freakshow. I'm not saying Jenner is one, and he has every right to do what he wants, but it's one of those shows where people are tuning in to see something strange. ABC puts him on the air because of huge ratings, but really, is it anything more than that?
     
  6. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    This interview wasn't a freak show. And really, it wasn't all that strange.
     
  7. Supfreak26

    Supfreak26 Go Cowboys!

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    I understand all of that. That's not what I was asking. Jenner wants to be considered female after the surgery. That's easy enough. I guess what I'm asking is if you are once a transgender, are you always a transgender? As this becomes more acceptable in our society, how will we look at this going forward?

    Also, how will we view sexuality after the surgery? In Jenner's case, it makes sense that she would be considered a lesbian after the surgery.

    These are confusing topics for the vast majority of people, including myself. I'm just trying to understand it all.
     
  8. Supfreak26

    Supfreak26 Go Cowboys!

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    Nonsense. "Male" and "female" aren't unnecessary labels. I might see your point with sexuality but you are way off when talking about gender.
     
  9. pjenkins

    pjenkins God bless Texas :)

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    When a married transgender person achieves the transformation, and they live in a state without gay marriage, does their marriage cease to exist?
     
  10. MonsterJoe

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    But why? Other than determine if someone may be able to inseminate... or become pregnant, what purpose does it serve?

    There is scientific purpose in identifying sex, but there is no practical purpose in attaching anything additional to it.

    Would these challenges exist if one's identity wasn't arbitrarily assigned by society based on their reproductive organs?

    I wonder how many tg would have reassignment surgery if that was not the case and people were just free to be who they were
     
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  11. NorthAlabama

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    next you'll be suspicious of abc airing the interview during sweeps weeks solely for the ratings (April 23 - May 20)...
     
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  12. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Some cultures do have more than two genders. This discussion has focused on someone making the transition from M -> F but there are also people who consider themselves agender and don't identify strongly with either gender.

    Sasha Fleischman is one such person, who got set on fire during a bus ride one day because they were wearing a skirt.

    (Yes, 'they' has a long history as a singular pronoun, but no remembers that except language geeks like me.)

    It's really sad how some people are so insecure about themselves that they can't bear the thought of other people being different. So Sasha prefers wearing skirts, or at least felt like wearing that skirt on that day. BIG DEAL. It's just fabric, FFS.

    Shouldn't people be able to go about their daily lives for being beaten or set on fire for being different?

    Don't we have more important things to worry about, like kids going hungry and our friends and family dying of cancer and other stuff?

    Why does this stuff matter so much to people?
     
  13. MonsterJoe

    MonsterJoe Travels for Food

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    That's the crux of the issue. The more I think about it, the less I understand why it is.
     
  14. getreal

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    I don't know which planet you came from, but here on Earth a week is just seven 24 hr. days. :cool:
     
  15. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    If you study anthropology, you find out pretty quickly how arbitrary gender is.
     
  16. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    I would imagine once you're transgender you always are.

    He's maintained that he's attracted to women although he did waffle a little when asked by Diane. He's single let him mingle.
     
  17. jilter

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    I know this is really about Bruce, but I am not a Diane Sawyer fan, yet I found her to be very good in this interview.
     
  18. Supfreak26

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    I must've missed that. I thought he clearly stated that he was only into women.
     
  19. Supfreak26

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    Male and female can be used as descriptors much like skin color, hair color, height, weight, etc. That's probably the main reason we identify people by their sex. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
     
  20. MonsterJoe

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    Can be == should or must be?

    That's what Im saying the problem is. Why do you need to know what somebody has between their legs? What functional purpose does it serve to identify people by their sex?
     

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