20/20 The Bruce Jenner interview

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  1. Apr 25, 2015 #21 of 149
    jsmeeker

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    I thought it was a wonderful interview. Learned a lot about him. He struggled with this for a long long time. Before the Olympics. After. He had already told wives about it. He was on hormones in the 1980s. I'm glad he's finally able out and open with who he is and make the needed transition.


    So long, Bruce. It was good to "know" you. Looking forward to "meeting" her soon.
     
  2. Apr 25, 2015 #22 of 149
    laria

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    Like the other poster said, this doesn't even make sense. :confused: If Kim is the "celebutard porn star donkey", he married her mom in 1991, long before reality tv was really a thing and she (Kim) was 10 years old. Certainly not a "porn star" yet.
     
  3. Apr 25, 2015 #23 of 149
    jsmeeker

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    It's a generation gap thing.


    Older people know him as the Olympic athlete that won a gold medal in the Decathlon


    Young people know him as a guy on Keeping up with the Kardashians.


    Me? I'm old.

    So, even with the Kardashian Konnection, Bruce is still the athlete guy to me.
     
  4. Apr 26, 2015 #24 of 149
    Ereth

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    And I know him mostly from this joke in the background of Mad Magazines parody of the "Hulk" TV show. Though I confess, the joke has a different tone now.

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  5. Apr 26, 2015 #25 of 149
    Sapphire

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    Not necessarily. I watched it and I don't read tabloids. I know people who watch it because they have a trans person in their life or who are curious about the increasing visibility of the transgender rights movement. Overall it was a good interview and I think Diane Sawyer mostly did a good job.
     
  6. Apr 26, 2015 #26 of 149
    DevdogAZ

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    I thought it was interesting that Bruce said Kim became much more accepting of the idea after talking to Kanye about it. Kanye has always seemed to me like nothing more than a narcissistic a**hole. So I was surprised to hear that something "good" came from him.

    I found it telling that all his older children were happy to participate in the interview and show their support, but the ones who have their own show apparently found it more important to preserve their images for their own show they can profit from rather than appearing on a "news" program where they probably wouldn't be compensated.
     
  7. Apr 26, 2015 #27 of 149
    DevdogAZ

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    I think you've got this wrong. He said his income was falling in the late 80s. He married Kris Kardashian in 1991. She helped him revitalize his name and market himself throughout the 90s. "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" didn't start until 2007.
     
  8. Apr 26, 2015 #28 of 149
    NorthAlabama

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    i very well could be wrong, i was going by how i remembered it being framed in the interview, if i get a chance i'll go back and look again.

    but still, looking at it from your perspective, did any rebranding, decades after the olympics, compare to the money earned with the reality show?
     
  9. Apr 26, 2015 #29 of 149
    DevdogAZ

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    Of course not, but I don't get why that matters. It's not like he joined the family to capitalize on their fame/money. He was part of the family for 16 years before the TV show started. The fact that the TV show has made them all mega-wealthy is totally irrelevant (unless you're trying to say that he should have prevented Kris and the girls from making the TV show).
     
  10. Apr 26, 2015 #30 of 149
    NorthAlabama

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    i never even hinted that it was the reason for the marriage or he was using his family for fame, where did that come from? i was attributing the lure of the money to his agreeing to participate in the show, nothing more. you're reading way more into my comment than was intended (or said).
     
  11. Apr 26, 2015 #31 of 149
    mr.unnatural

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    That doesn't mean you don't peek at them in the checkout line. :D
     
  12. Apr 26, 2015 #32 of 149
    Sapphire

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    Well to be totally fair I had a specific reason for watching. But yeah I just look at the headlines in disgust. The way they've treated him/her is really appalling. I think that is a total contrast to Dianne Sawyer who was pretty respectful while asking things that I'm sure people wanted to know, such as how sexual orientation and gender are not one and the same, how did the spouses feel etc.
     
  13. Apr 26, 2015 #33 of 149
    RGM1138

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    Admittedly, I didn't watch the interview, because I can't stand Diane Sawyer's style. But, I did see excerpts on the news.

    From what I gather, he still has all his "boy parts", wants to be called he, and is still attracted to women.

    He still sounds confused to me.
     
  14. Apr 26, 2015 #34 of 149
    jsmeeker

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    Watch the whole thing


    You'll learn that She will come out [full time] soon. And there won't be a Bruce anymore. Supposedly, that's happening soon. A name was not revealed, but it seems there is one. I believe there aren't current plans for surgery to change genitalia.

    I don't think he's confused. Gender identity and who you attracted to are totally separate things.
     
  15. Apr 26, 2015 #35 of 149
    jilter

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    I watched (and sincerely enjoyed) part 2.

    It seems Comcast On Demand put up Part 2 twice!
    Who can I call about this? <grin>
    I was so glad I found it on On Demand, cause the DVR did not record it. Watched the whole 52 minutes, only to realize much was missing -of course! Part 1.
     
  16. Apr 26, 2015 #36 of 149
    ngsmith

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    Actually, I think you missed a statement from Jenner. She said she already had the two medical referral letters, and that she was "way ahead of you" (or words to that effect). Those are generally needed for genital surgery in the US. Other countries have different requirements.
     
  17. Apr 26, 2015 #37 of 149
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    A lot of transgender people don't get "the surgery" for whatever reason. Some for medical reasons, some just don't want surgery. It is major, risky, painful surgery. But he did say that sex reassignment surgery is down the road.

    You cannot just wake up one day, fly to Thailand (or wherever) and get surgery. It doesn't work that way. Nearly all of the sex reassignment surgeons follow a set of standards called the WPATH standard of care. He explained that you need a year of experience living in the role (referred to as real life experience) before you're even allowed surgery. This is part of the WPATH standard of care. It is to help ensure that before you do something irreversible that you know what you're getting into. You also need sign offs from two mental health professionals, one has to be a psychiatrist or psychologist, the other can be a therapist/clinical social worker. Jenner said that he has the sign offs.

    So there really is no choice but for him to be referred to as "she" if s/he wants to get surgery. You have to live the role. You have to present as a woman, not simply as a man in a dress. It is much deeper than just wearing clothes. It is your entire identity.

    There are people who start the process then realize it's not all it's cracked up to be. They can get off the hormones and detransition back to their birth gender. But once you have had surgery that's pretty much it. So some level of gatekeeping is in necessary.

    The other things were explained. He's being called "he" now for this interview and will fully come out at a later date (likely as part of the E! series). I think basically this was to control the tabloids. Remember this is Bruce Jenner we are talking about, not you or me who nobody really knows.

    Being attracted to women is not uncommon. A lot of women born as woman are attracted to women. Same with trans women: So they are lesbians more or less. A lot of trans men are still attracted to men so they are essentially gay men. He did leave the possibility open to be with a man.

    Nothing confused about it.
     
  18. Apr 26, 2015 #38 of 149
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    i know this is a dangerous question, and it isn't asked to be confrontational, but it hasn't been discussed, so here it goes...

    does anyone believe the diane sawyer interview was granted (at least in part) to help promote the launch of his new reality series, like movie stars grant interviews to different talk shows to promote their new movies?
     
  19. Apr 26, 2015 #39 of 149
    murgatroyd

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    Disclaimer: I've seen the bits of the interview that have aired on the news, but I didn't watch the whole interview (I can't stand Diane Sawyer anymore).

    Maybe it was, but so what?

    If Bruce's coming-out interview and his new reality show end up helping people in the trans community, then I don't care how self-serving it is.

    Bruce doesn't need to justify himself to me. It's his life. Let him do his thing and be happy, whatever that turns out to be.

    Edited to add: I used "he" because that's the pronoun Bruce said to use right now. It's his choice.
     
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  20. Apr 26, 2015 #40 of 149
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    I think part of it was for that purpose. I don't think there are many celebrities who do anything without wanting some level of publicity for it.

    But, I think the overwhelming goal was to try and put an end to all of the speculation as she has dropped out of the public eye to continue the more major parts of the transition. She said numerous times that she wasn't trying to be a spokesperson for this community, but I suspect she hopes her story will give others in this situation some strength to keep fighting.

    It was said a couple of times that the interviews took place a couple of months ago, before the car accident in early February.

    I wish her well in this process. I can't imagine just how difficult her life was up until this point and what she is going through now. I hope that when she emerges, she will finally be able to be comfortable with life.
     

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