1TB WD Green SATA hdd 259.00 @ Best Buy

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by cr33p, Sep 23, 2007.

  1. Burt Spielman

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    Ashu, I had problems with a pair of Seagate 7200.11 1TB drives during my "upgrade from an already (WeaKnees) upgraded 750GB Seagate internal and add new external" procedure. They were very noisy, and ultimately didn't work. I RMA'd them to Newegg and bought Hitachi Deskstars instead, which work fine. Seagate has announced a DB35 version of their 1TB drive, which will, presumably, exhibit the same performance as the DB35 750GB drive I replaced. If you're going to wait for Seagate, I'd suggest that you wait until the DB35 1TB is available.
     
  2. chrispitude

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    Okay, the 750GB GP drive came yesterday evening. Since I had previously copied my failing factory 250GB drive over to a spare 320GB drive, I could not copy again and keep my problems. Instead, I went to the MFSLive interactive command generator and used the following line to do the copy:

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    backup -f 9999 -qso - /dev/sda | restore -s 128 -xzpi - /dev/sdb 
    When I put the new drive in the Tivo and started it up, it started up normally and went to the main menu. I hit Now Playing and tried to play something to see if it would play, and it told me that the program was not recorded due to lack of signal (expected). A few seconds later, the screen went black and the Tivo rebooted. Partway through the reboot, I got my first GSOD.

    I powered down, brought the drive over to my PC and recopied again. This time when I powered up the Tivo, I intended to do a Clear & Delete Everything. This time, the screen went black just as I was going through the menus, and again it reset itself.

    Is this the failure mode shown by the 1TB models too? If so, it appears the 750GB models are also incompatible in the same way.

    Edit: the model number on the drive label is WD7500AACS-00ZJB0.

    - Chris
     
  3. richsadams

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    No, the WD 1TB GP models work in every way except that the OEM version (00ZJB0) hangs at the "Welcome, powering up" screen on a soft reboot when installed internally in the Series3.

    What you're seeing (particularly if you got the GSOD) is more likely either programing or hard drive failure. Programming/data corruption would be my guess since your original drive failed, you may be copying corrupted data to the new drive.

    So I'm not sure what's causing it or what the remedy would be other than testing your new drive to see if it has any bad sectors, etc. using the WD Lifeguard Diagnostic program.

    That's not to say that there won't be issues with your WD 750GB GP drive in a TiVo, but the symptoms are not that of the 1TB version.

    You may want to try a fresh image by using Instant Cake.
     
  4. chrispitude

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    Interesting... the copy was from the 320GB, which is a fully working drive. In fact, I plugged the 320GB back in and the Tivo is running just as great as ever.

    I've got an RMA number to return this 750GB drive. I wonder what I should try next to see if the 750GB really is compatible?

    - Chris
     
  5. richsadams

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    Hmmm, that is strange and should work it seems. I guess testing the drive would be an easy next step. The other would be to get a new image OR just try another drive I suppose. The Seagate DB35 750GB drives are working very well for a number of folks here.

    It would be valuable to know if the WD GP series is the issue or if it's something else. But then we can't expect you to be a guinea pig here. ;)

    Keep us posted! :up:
     
  6. jlib

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    Carmel...
    That command is going to truncate (not copy programs). The guide doesn't have a command line listed but does mention under "Option 1.3 To copy everything from expanded Tivo drive to another bigger drive" that "This option is built into WinMFS..." You said WinMFS doesn't work?

     
  7. c3

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    I have not used MFSLive, but I used WinMFS to copy from an upgraded 500GB to 1TB with all of the recordings.
     
  8. chrispitude

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    Hi folks,

    I ran the command above because attempting to copy the programs over on the upgraded drive does not work with MFSLive. I don't have a Windows box so I can't run WinMFS to do a copy of an already-upgraded drive.

    I did some more testing. To rule out a copy-of-a-copy being the problem, I next copied my original factory drive over to the 750GB GP drive with all programs included. The new drive started up and ran fine. I was even able to go into Now Playing and delete everything. However, when I went into Settings and told it to call home to force an update, it started connecting and then crashed and rebooted, and hung on that reboot.

    I pulled the drive and did a full surface scan with WDDIAG, and the drive passed. So, I think I will just have to concede that the 750GB -00 doesn't work either. That's a real shame too, because with the AAM set to 128 the drive was absolutely silent.

    I was able to do an online chat with a Newegg customer support rep and explain that the drive is incompatible with my Tivo, and they were kindly willing to skip the usual 15% restocking fee as a one-time concession. They even emailed me a pre-paid UPS return label. Nothing lost except

    Edit: I also appear to have begun every paragraph with "I, I, I!" I'm normally not so self-centered!

    - Chris
     
  9. Marc

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    Best Buy has these (Western Digital "Green") drives on sale again for $299.99. Not as good as $259, but still better than their $350 price tag.

    My local Best Buy had three on the shelf, two in the new packaging and one in the original black box.
     
  10. Marc

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    Going for the original black box still ended up getting me a -00 (OEM) drive.

    That's okay for me since I have TiVo HDs and not Series 3s, and this particular drive is actually going into an HP MediaSmart server anyway.
     
  11. sirfergy

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    Fry's has em for $259 if you're interested.
     
  12. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Well, I was hoping to get a -32 drive, so that's why I went to Best Buy since I could buy a retail box instead of going OEM.

    For mail-order OEM drives, NewEgg has them for $254.99.
     
  13. zenisu

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    At my Fry's (Downers Grove, IL) they were $289 OEM, and of course they only had the 00 model. The 00 is fine for me since mine isn't an S3. Not the best price in the world, but I'm an impatient sort. Popped it in after winmfs and it works like a champ.
     
  14. c3

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    You may be able to order online at frys.com (currently $265) for in-store pickup.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2008 #735 of 932
    mike_flood

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    Here's a list of known vendors that sell the WD10EVCS drive
    This is from what used to be called "Froogle Google"
    http://www.google.com/products?q=WD10EVCS&btnG=Search+Products
    Please understand that just because a vendor is listed doesn't mean that they are reputable or have stock on handl.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2008 #736 of 932
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the post. It's interesting because this is apparently a different drive than the OP and the rest of us have been talking about. The model number is different, they call this newer one the "WD AV-GP" indicating that it's specifically for DVR use and although the differences are only marginal, the specs are slightly different as well:

    Specs for the "original" WD10EACS


    Specs for the "new" WD10EVCS

    Do you have one of these drives by chance? I think we'd all be very interested in knowing what the full model number on the drive is (xx00 OEM Vs xx32 retail, etc.) and if it the "new" WD10EVCS drive will work as an internal upgrade for the Series3.

    FYI, as Marc mentioned, Newegg currently has the WD10EACS OEM 1TB GP drive at $254.99. NOTE: This is the one that cannot be used as an internal upgrade on the Series3 but will work as an eSATA drive for either the Series3 or TiVo HD as well as an internal hard drive upgrade for the TiVo HD.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2008 #737 of 932
    ilh

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    FWIW, we've been buying some NewEgg OEM WD5000AAKS at the office. Our first batch of 10 was all -00xx and a recent batch is -75xx. I bring this up just as further evidence that OEM != -00xx and that WD seems to change those "batch" numbers or whatever they are without warning.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2008 #738 of 932
    richsadams

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    Thanks for that. I'm sure it's mostly (or only) us (we?) TiVo geeks that pay any attention to these sorts of things. I'm sure the WD folks are surprised when anyone asks about those kinds of details.

    I posted the new WD A/V Drive info on the Official eSATA Drive Expansion in 9.2: FAQ + Discussion thead. We'll see what comes back. BTW, thanks to Mike for finding this info. :up:
     
  19. Feb 1, 2008 #739 of 932
    DCIFRTHS

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    Rich. Thanks for keeping this thread very easy to read with your summaries. Great job !!!
     
  20. Feb 1, 2008 #740 of 932
    richsadams

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    It's a labor of love...kinda twisted huh? :eek:
     

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