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Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by microbe, Feb 14, 2011.
Only received this message this morning as the last few daily calls have failed.
Nice to see some old friends still on this forum. Just thought I'd say hi as I heard the bad news about TiVo Series 1
It's not been a bad run considering how things could easily have ended way back in 2003 when TiVo effectively pulled out of the UK. As we all thought back then though, the end would come eventually. To be honest I'm staggered it lasted so long. Still sad to see it go though.
I see some people mentioning that they would gladly pay a monthly subscription to carry on receiving guide data. I doubt that would work. The £10 per month TiVo came up with would have been based on projected figures of expected number of subscribers - probably a high number. Where we are now the user base is very small, and economies of scale mean the £10 per month would probably have to be something much higher to cover all the dial-up, production, and licensing costs.
I'm sure there is plenty of time for the more technically able people here to work out a way to implement an unofficial replacement solution run by the community.
These days I'm using SkyHD and suffer many missed recordings, and an inferior EPG. Like many others I'd gladly have a Virgin TiVo if I lived in a Virgin area.
I'm still surprised after all this time there aren't better alternatives on the market! Ten years on and there still doesn't seem to be a good alternative to the original Series 1 TiVo! Once you've tried TiVo, everything else seems second best.
Good luck to you all!
Sad to see TiVo withdrawing from my area. My old PVR100UK's a fantastic product that has seen daily use for over ten years. There doesn't seem to be any alternative service available up here at the northen end of the UK - no Virgin, no Sky, only 512K broadband.
Although in my head I'm telling myself that we've had a great run and that TiVo have done well to run the service for as long as they have, my heart's a bit bitter - who new that a lifetime would be so short.
T.C.O was (£400 unit + £200 sub + £180 repairs + £110 upgrades) / ( 137 months ) = ~£6.50 / month.
everything else IS second best.
Another gutted, tho not surprised long term lurker and tivo fan here..
I am in a VM coverage area, but I certainly dont want their service, why would I want to pay £30+ a month to receive freeview ? I don't want their internet, I dont want their phoneline, and I don't want their bundled extra channels...
My tivo was perfect just as it was.
So, I guess I'm no real loss to them, although their 'deal' for exisiting subscribers can hardly be called 'good' in any case
Looks like I'll be over at tivoland seeing what help I can give to alternative data sources.
Thanks tivocommunity.com this has been a great place to be over the past few years and an invaluable data source, its been much appreciated.
Oh, and finally today, I found out how to ignore certain posters, it certainly makes this forum a better place to be, as they only seem to come over here to argue the toss and hear the sound of their own 'voice'.
I read every post in the hope that someone would say "Hey I've written a script that pulls a TV guide off xxx free website and all you have to do is change you TiVo script to download from www.xxxx.co.uk. Anyone want to donate via paypal?"
Anyone know what format the TV EPG comes in or how to change TiVo to read from a different source?"
I'm emailing the BBC next. See if they are interested in this story. Watchdog/ CLICK etc.
I'll be e-mailing the BBC/Watchdog etc.
The more publicity there is about this the better. There is always the chance TiVo could back track when they realise how much bad publicity it is causing them....
As soon as the Virgin/Tivo hook up was announced, I started looking for an alternative:
1TB Freeview+ HD Digital TV Recorder - PVR / DTR
Is excellent, not as good as my TIVO of course but pretty close once you have got used to the controls
I know it's expensive but it does work well and has improved our viewing and of course it does HD as well - so sadly goodbye my TIVO and "up yours" to Virgin which we cannot get and no likelyhood of getting.
I have just sent my comment to TiVo about the end of the "Lifetime Service"
I am truly gutted, I have 5 tivo's all with "Lifetime Subscription" and have been a loyal TiVo devotee since 2000, to lose this piece of wonderful technology is heartbreaking and since I DO NOT live in a Virgin Media cabled area I have no way to upgrade to their new shiny service, yes their new S3 box may be a great bit of kit but would be nothing more than an expensive door stop to me plus I cannot afford to buy five new machines even if I lived in a cabled area.
I also feel bad for my many friends who I converted to TiVo over the years, I do hope they will still speak to me.
Please please please reconsider pulling the plug on the "service" and continue with the EPG updates.
Do the same and let them know how YOU feel, I don't really expect much to happen but with the weight of all the loyal TiVo users out there you never know, also with so many very knowledgeable people (hackers) out there there must be a way to introduce an alternative EPG to our TiVo boxes either by dialup or via the network.
Rubbish. Try looking up the definition of 'the great majority'. 80%.
Time to stick you on the Ignore list
Moves are afoot to do just that ...
Probably never get to the man himself but i have emailed the Tivo CEO Mr Rogers. His and other management names are in an earlier post.
If he gets a couple of hundred polite but firm emails at least he will know how the loyal UK owners feel.
Seems more productive than just ranting in here! I am very impressed how reasonable most posts have been, not read every one but what a nice lot Tivo owners are.
Good luck to the technical folks who try to engineer a program guide solution.
If not my replacement will be a Humax Sat recorder. Are they reliable?
Standard Sky boxes only seem to last 3 years, i am on my third! Even the first Sony failed after a short time!
The closure has been noted on Slashdot, if people care to comment there as well.
I have had my TiVo Series 1 for nearly 10 years now and I bought the £199 Lifetime sub. Whilst I am hugely disappointed the service is going, TiVo owes me nothing. There were four of us in work who bought a TiVo around the same time and I'm the last one clinging on whilst everybody went to Sky+ HD.
I am also not in VM land, in fact I'm surrounded by it but will not be connected due to costs. My broadband is pants as I'm too far from the BT excahnge so that rules out BT and other streaming services.
Which leaves Freesat HD or Freeview HD. Like others have said their UI and EPG are poor and make Sky+ look amazing
This is off The Reg not sure what "may" and "limited" means in this context?
TiVo insisted that the boxes "may" be able to record programmes manually, but there will be no electronic programme guide (EPG) and the boxes will have "limited - if any - functionality".
Looks like I will be picking the best of a very bad bunch
Hi Gary, long time no "see"!
Those early days seem a long time ago now. I remember when all this was just electrons...
I totally agree. They are shooting themselves in the foot by annoying the loyal users who will be their ambassadors on forum like this (and places like digitalspy.co.uk) for people deciding if to upgrade to their new service.
No. As I mentioned elsewhere, those two have often disappeared over the last ten years.
Oh, Sorry ..
Memo to self .. Must be more observant
And what would these non-ambassadors be saying? "Don't buy a Virgin TiVo because if Virgin stops making them they'll only support it for another eight or nine years!" How off putting!
I understand people are P'd off that they are going to have to find a new solution, but TiVo have bent over backwards running a loss making service with no prospect of improvement for the best part of a decade. They could have just shut everything down in 2003 when they closed their UK office and gave up selling boxes. The idea that this is poor CS, or the TiVo have screwed over its customers is laughable.
Virgin are switching their entire HD PVR userbase to TiVo over time. Virgin will have made the call that those S1 owners outside the VM catchment really don't trouble the scorers. Looking at it dispassionately, they are right.
Doesn't make anyone having to shell out for a new PVR any happier, but TiVo's had a good innings.